11/04/11 Paris, France – The Dow rose 208 points yesterday. Hardly a day goes by without a 100+ point move. We’d be disappointed with anything less.
What these extreme moves are telling us is that investors are very uncertain. They know there’s a lot at stake. And they don’t know which way it will go.
Yesterday and the day before they were betting that Europe would muddle through. Their optimism seemed justified as Greek premier George Papandreou dropped the idea of holding a referendum.
‘Hey, George,’ said the bankers… ‘You can’t let the voters decide something like this. You know what they’ll say. They’ll say they don’t want to pay our damned debts. And what are we going say?’
Of course, it’s not that simple. When the going was good, the Greeks were able to borrow a lot of money at German interest rates. Anybody who bothered to look at the history of Greek debt would have known that it was a bad bet for the lenders. The Greeks have been in default during about 1 out of every 2 years…ever since they gained independence in 1828. The Greeks are good at gaming the system, having a good time…and living well. They stay up late…but they retire early!
Who can blame them for taking the bankers’ money? And who can blame them for not wanting to pay it back? The bankers should have known better than to lend to Greeks!
At the heart of the problem is a lot of debt that really cannot be repaid. The more you squeeze an economy with austerity measures…the less juice you get out of it. The more you try to pay…the less you are able.
The debt is bad, rotten…it has turned…it is way past its “sell by” date.
The smart thing would be to let the market handle it. Greece goes into default. The banks go broke. The debt is ‘paid’ by the people who ought to pay it — the people who lent it to the Greeks in the first place.
Naturally, the bankers…and the people who run government finances…don’t want that to happen. They’ve invested their careers in keeping the debt-ball rolling. They want to see it continue…at least until they retire.
So, they push it. And clear the path ahead — by taking obstacles, such as democratic referenda, out of its path. Democracy is great when the voters give you the answer you want. When they don’t…forget it.
Here at The Daily Reckoning, we’ve never had much truck with democracy. After all, why should a bunch of strangers get to tell us what to do? But there are some things it is good for. Deciding the colors of the national flag, for example. Or the tune of the national anthem. Or who will represent the country at the Miss Universe contest.
Otherwise, we don’t need no stinkin’ democracy… Better to let people decide for themselves how to organize their lives.
But there’s no point in telling people our creed. They don’t care. Besides, they want someone to tell them how to organize their lives.
The problem in Greece ought to be a private matter. It’s between debtors and creditors. They can work it out between them. Always have. But if you’re going to try to bail out the creditors…by making the citizens pay…you should at least have the courtesy to let them have a say in it!
Meanwhile, back in the USA…Bloomberg reports that the number of really poor people is increasing:
Economy Drives More Americans to Extreme Poverty
The number of Americans living in neighborhoods beset by extreme poverty surged in the last decade, erasing the progress of the 1990s, with the poorest areas growing more than twice as fast in suburbs as in cities.
At least 2.2 million more Americans, a 33 percent jump since 2000, live in neighborhoods where the poverty rate is 40 percent or higher, according to a study released today by the Washington-based Brookings Institution.
The report, which analyzed Census Bureau data, shows the extent to which the US lost ground in efforts to fight poverty during a decade marked by recessions, including the deepest slump in seven decades. The Midwest and South were hardest hit, suffering from manufacturing job losses and the housing bust.
“With two downturns and a decade that saw the typical household income fall, the 2000s took an economic toll,” said Elizabeth Kneebone, a senior research associate at the Brookings Metropolitan Policy Program and lead author of the report.
When people are concentrated in very poor neighborhoods, they face a host of additional problems from worse schools and fewer job opportunities to poor health, she said.
The report follows the release of data by the Census Bureau in September that showed the number of people living in poverty was the highest in the 52 years since the agency began gathering the statistic. US household income fell to its lowest level in more than a decade in 2010 and poverty rose to a 17-year high.
One of the interesting things to come out of the study was that poverty is no longer just an inner-city problem. It’s moved to the suburbs. A few years ago you could escape poverty by moving to the suburbs. Now, you’ve got to escape from the suburbs too.
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Sorry, but I can’t argue with any of that…
Well, at least MF Global got to live with the consequences of its bad investments in PIGS debt.
Forget bail outs, let’s make financial buckets illegal!
Bill B. wrote “The report, which analyzed Census Bureau data, shows the extent to which the US lost ground in efforts to fight poverty during a decade marked by recessions, including the deepest slump in seven decades.”
Fight poverty, in the USA ? Not since the 1960′s.
Here’s a timely story on the poverty level from today’s NYT, about what you’d expect, the numbers are overstated and inaccurate:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/us/experts-say-bleak-account-of-poverty-missed-the-mark.html?_r=1&hp
What’s that – no more WIC cards, Marsh?
Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi will never join a no-hair club. He has a hair transplant!
“Democracy is great when the voters give you the answer you want. When they don’t…forget it.
Democracy is great when the voters give you the answer you want. When they don’t…forget it.”
so. you’re with the bankers.
“Here at The Daily Reckoning, we’ve never had much truck with democracy. After all, why should a bunch of strangers get to tell us what to do?”
bill. someone is always going to tell you what to do. a constitutional democratic republic is the government that least imposes upon you and most prevents others from imposing themselves on you. and our government has been so successful at this that like a fish in water you forget it. sad fact of the matter is that no man can defend himself against many men. anarchy leaves all vulnerable to all.
“What these extreme moves are telling us is that investors are very uncertain. They know there’s a lot at stake. And they don’t know which way it will go.”
yes they do.
they are like a large mob of people on a small sinking boat, each rushing away from the lowest portion towards the highest portion.
Bleak Portrait of Poverty Is Off the Mark: http://nyti.ms/rGA72r
“Anybody who bothered to look at the history of Greek debt would have known that it was a bad bet for the lenders. The Greeks have been in default during about 1 out of every 2 years…ever since they gained independence in 1828 … The bankers should have known better than to lend to Greeks!”
so why did they?
because they had no choice. our currency is a debt currency. without new debt slaves the whole debt pyramid scheme implodes.
new debt slaves must be found. there are no more available. thus some creditors must be sacrificed and their debt slaves transfered to other more worthy (read: better connected) creditors. that is what talk of greek default is all about. notice how in the recent offer it was private (read: unconnected) infestors who were to take the %50 haircut.
well at least they’re not using war to kill off the lesser creditors. at least not yet. as demographic decline continues and the debt pyramid loses footing forcing the big credit consortiums face off, then we’ll see war, as they attempt to kill each other off.
have anyone seen harry lately??
WIC cards?
LOL.
You’re going to live real well on that $12 a month WIC card, my friend.
Dave, you don’t need the stats, just some plain sense, and willingness to look at the poverty spreading right in front of you.
Sec 8 vouchers then, Marsh.
LOL.
In the US Congress a “supercommittee” of the 1% is preparing an austerity plan for the 99%. Will We, the People be allowed to vote on this plan, or, like Greece, will the elites just tell us how it is going to be?
I think the 99% are screwed. No matter how many dollars Scott Walker’s buddy thinks they get on WIC or Section 8.
“Meanwhile, back in the USA…Bloomberg reports that the number of really poor people is increasing”
Could democratic election settle all dust?
First, an election campaign needs enormous sum beyond the resource of an ordinary folk. Where to get it? Through entrepreneurship? Through myriad forms of corruptions? Through perverse gambling activities? Through personal sweat and toil?
With his conquest theory, king personality, emperor ambition, Alexander earned his earnest greatness. Risking his one-time life and dripping his blood along with his staunch warriors his highness conquered what he came to his focus.
Which are the con man job?
A con man leadership could only provide sugar-coated goodness, temporary relief and a last magnificent casket but paper coffin.