“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.
And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”
This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.
Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.
…they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it.
If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized police force rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.
The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.
And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.
Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.
According to Public Intelligence:
“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.’ Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being ‘necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities’ under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.”
And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.
That is your choice… for the moment.
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Jim Karger is a lawyer who has represented American businesses against incursions by government and labor unions for 30 years. In 2001, he left Dallas and moved to San Miguel de Allende in the high desert of central Mexico where he sought and found a freer and simpler life for he and his wife, Kelly, and their 10 dogs. Karger's website is http://www.crediblyconnect.com
If such a situation ever were to arise, I think that the American people would act in a similar manner which their ancestors did on April 19, 1775 at Lexington.
Do you believe all cops will follow this order? if you do your foolish.
Do you believe a vast majority will or a simple majority?
We might have a simple majority but if 40% of the police and military don’t refuse such an order I would be surprised. The fact that their would be this large a disobedience (at a minimum) is why this order will never be given. Soldiers and cops would defect to any uprising rather quickly and a small scale policing issue will disolve quickly into a civil war. The very people you refer to here know thats whats going to happen.
Not to mention their are decades worth of materials in circulation like the poor mans james bond among other sources of knowledge that can neutralize most of law enforcement’s military gap.
and the longer this process went on the worse it would be for the government trying it.
This is something that could happen in mexico where extra legal and extra judicial force is being used on a regular basis by the government. But in the US it would be far more problematic
I guess no one told Vietnam that they could not
prevail against over-whelming U.S fire power.
flush this creep!
What about the simple principle of “I’d rather die on my feet then live on my knees.” I think the second amendment makes it clear that you have the right to defend yourself, because if you don’t, or don’t try, you may be singled out, and murdered at “The President’s whim” anyway. A dis armed population is a slave population, and I, for one, would rather die a freeman in a pool of my own blood, then live bowing to criminals for their permission to live. Such as, you are a coward, and are willing to comply with out even thinking about it. The best technology in the world has been beaten, and the best body armor can only take so mant shots before it is to weak to function properly. If only a small portion resist, there will be way to many for one small army to fight. We will simply out number our military 40-1 if only 1% reist. Where people like you have no pride in your freedom and will cower and beg for your life, people like me rather die then be controlled, and take pride in our freedom.
Interesting…but what am I to do about it?
Take one (or more) out on your way out.
One day turning over the guns will make no difference.
As technology improves and costs drop, 3-D printing will be within the reach of many citizens. Just as happened with computers over time.
The day that happens guns can be “printed” by anyone but the state will have a lot more to worry about than that.
I wonder why we still haven’t completely disarmed the Talibans with all our military might and weapons? Is the US govt. more tolerant to foreign terrorist than their own people? You may be right you can see the police abuse from time to time and nobody is speaking out especially the MSM and politicians except when the wronged person is of the black persuasion.
“Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations … just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.”
I dunno man … in such an environment just how are they going to pay these boys?
“we’ll pay you $2000 a month.” “yeah man, that’ll get me a gallon of milk and a bag of cheetos. and you want me to risk my life for that?”
but you’re right about the “wannabes”. most of them would fold like wet napkins.
be fun to watch though. which collapses first, the “bag of cheetos” boys or the wet napkins? hard to say ….
A significant percentage of the population is very pro-gun so hopefully it doesn’t come to this. I’m more worried about violent crime if the economic situation worsens.
“If such a situation ever were to arise, I think that the American people would act in a similar manner which their ancestors did on April 19, 1775 at Lexington.”
I doubt it. in 1775 most americans were independent farmers used to a life of hard labor. here in 2012 most americans are overweight softies dependent on government in one way or another for basic life necessities. for sure some would resist – for five minutes, the limit of their physical endurance and conditioning. then while they’re wheezing and drooling on the floor you could send in a few air force clerks to pick up their guns from off the ground. yeah, there’s the tactic. doubletime a platoon of marines down the street, wait five minutes, then send in the clean-up crew.
Comedian Chris Rock had a skit bit. After George II promised his subjects a “48 hour” victory in Baghdad (2003?), Chris humorously quipped “[The military] couldn’t take Baltimore in 48 hours!” I’m with Rock on this one. We probably are headed for a civil war, but I don’t see many people willingly turning over their guns. Of course, if there’s a M-1 in the driveway and a Blackhawk circling overhead, I may reconsider…
I forgot to mention that I’m with the clean-up crew.
its been a slow day here at the DMV.
They’ll just shut down face book and
Twitter and most of the country will
surrender in 3 hours.
you know some of you are right about people giving up and rolling over and such and people will, they will say “oh your here for my guns takem i dont need them.” then there are gonna be the ones who stand up and say “no i will die a free man than live a slave.” that is when the nation will devide expecaily after the first group of people who die in vaine for their rights and freedom that our men and women fought for so long ago. i dont know if yall are up on yalls history(MR. Karger) but during the civil war the South was out maned,out guned,out supplyed and didnt have top of the line stuff as the North did. and the South barreley lost the war, only a few bad desicions and missconmunication is what stood between United States are and United States is.also in 1775(gman)yes the people back then where more fit but would you have ever thought that a bunch of farmers and hunters would ever take down the greatest and most powerful army in the world (Great Britain) at the time. no but they had determination and will to have a free country for there kids even if they where not gonna be around to enjoy it. my point is it doesnt take all the best technology and man power in the world towin a war, all it takes is will powewr and determination thats how we where able to build this great country.dont think the people who rolled over in the begging wont turn, cause once you threaten a persons right and strip away everything they have to live for that makes them the most dangerous person in the world. plus people really should look back at some of the ways Hitler was able to come to power and the things he said and did to get to where he was, it might shock you how similiar to Obama is to him. just saying.
KARGER IS YOUR ENEMY.
Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. These are all places with heavy artillery, tanks and American air superiority….. Guess what. The Americans lost to Guerillas. Wars of attrition are lost causes.
I’ve no doubt domestic police and/or the US military COULD easily overwhelm any domestic resistance. But WOULD the armed forces do this?
On the other hand, I’m sure some Svengali-like politician could convince the population that those resisting were terrorists and thus take the moral high ground. Once you’ve got that you’ve won.
Just look at the absolute nonsense people believe right now even with free access to the internet et al. Political manipulation is quite pervasive already and it will only get more effective.
We’ve drifted so far from the rule of law I doubt we can ever return.
In Germany, when their fascists took over if you didn’t hand over your weapons they immediatly shot you and your family.
I don’t think our fascists will be any kinder.
One thing for sure,,, we’re toast as the guiding light of liberty for the world… OBL won the war.
Not long ago I wondered what had happened to Bob Dylan and there he was, on TV not 24 hours later, receiving a medal from that nobel peace prize winner, potus.
I only saw the vision. Missed the commentary and wasn’t inclined to go searching after I had seen it.
You know there’s somethin’ happening
But you don’t know what it is
Do you, Mr Jones
You fail to realize most gun owners don’t really care about ‘winning’. How many will you allow to be murdered because you wish to strip them of a right the Founding Fathers clearly defined?
Will you outlaw hunting as well or will it be regulated to the point you have to sneak up to the animal while wearing a bell and ask for permission to kill it and eat it?
How about we enact a law banning Hollywood and the music industry from promoting ‘gangsta rap lifestyle’? How about we ban the video games that teach our kids to kill without remorse? How about we start embracing family values instead of attacking those who promote family values?
It is intolerant liberals constantly barking orders to others and redefining what is acceptable that is America’s biggest problem.
I say we ban liberalism. Then we can use our guns to shoot those who refuse to give up their liberal views.
Surely that is an acceptable alternative to suggesting gun owners who don’t wish to surrender their guns to gun grabbing liberals be shot to death. Liberals should abandon their views or suffer the same fate they wish on others.
Mr.Karger sure can bloviate from his “mud hut” somewhere down in Mexico.I believe he soiled himself thinking about this actually happening and hit the road to take his chances with the Mexicans!Sure hope they dont find his head in a bag on the side of the road.As for me,I’m too old to run so I’ll just have to take my .22 and start at the bottom with the local politicians and work my way up until they catch me.County,State and Federal,one rat at a time.Join me.
You should be called Jim “The Coward” Karger. It’s been 43 years since combat in Vietnam for me Although I am becoming a grey beard, if ever a federal, state or local police force were to try to take my guns then I consider it tyranny and would welcome a good gun fight. You can bet on it that I and many vets like me would overwhelm such a policing force. My time will be up in this world a few year from now due to age and maybe I should have died long ago in the Nam but you can bet on me getting a half dozen or more of of the SOBs before they get me. At my age I would welcome the rush of a good straight firefight.
P. W. “Hutch”, 1st batallion, 12th Marines, DaNang 1969
Perhaps, but I wouldn’t be alone. And that’s if I get picked for the first wave of arrests. There’s far, far too many gun owners who would not comply with an order to disarm for them to arrest everyone in one swell foop. The folks doing those raids will not be going home fully staffed, and the folks who sent them won’t be collecting their pensions.
There is a real question of how many LEO and alphabet soup agencies will obey such an order.
The military has routinely made public that it will refuse any order from ANY president that contradicts the Constitution, as our oath is first and foremost to that defining law of the Land
News/information travels VERY fast nowadays (internet message boards, Facebook, Twitter etc.). And once ‘the word’ got out that they’re coming for our firearms, those various internet vehicles could very well become the ‘lighthouse beacon’ or ‘headquarters’ where ALL of the proud American 2A believers/defenders will ‘meet’, band together and come up with a plan.
Remember, it’s a HUGE nation with LOTS of forests, caves, woods, places to hide.
Yes, many will die trying.
But many will also prevent (aka: kill) PLENTY of gungrabbers from achieving their goals as well.
Eventually when it becomes a long, drawn out lesson in total futility, the concept/act of STEALING constitutional rights from law abiding American citizens will have no choice but to cease/desist.
When they come for the guns, we won’t wait for them to come to our houses. Never forget the police and military must live amongst us. It will be civil war, and the homes of the tyrants and their supporters will not be safe. There will be no green zone for them to hide behind.
You’re projecting Jim, my liberal friend. Perhaps you would immediately drop to your knees in subjugation before your Government Gods but then as a Lefty it is in your genetic make up isn’t it?
You and your ilk all have the same problem in that you never speak with anyone but those who believe exactly as you do and so you think everyone will behave as you would.
If rounding nup guns and disarming America were so easy, liberal, then why can’t the mighty government even disarm the gangs in LA will basically rule the streets? oops!
Stay in your home Jim and when things get a bit tough let the men handle things while you sit in front of your little word processor and blast out tough lib talk.
Matt Juice said
What about the simple principle of “I’d rather die on my feet then live on my knees.”
This concept is alien to a liberal because at their very core they are complete cowards and cannot envision standing and fighting for ANYTHING, unless of course it is a free handout paid for by someone else.
Folks be sure to get it all on video and post to http://www.youtube.com/
I want to see what happens in color.
Only crypto-Marxists use the term “Neo-Con.”
Faulty premise. What you failed to consider is that there is a large segment of us “gun nuts” who are just waiting for the ball to drop. On that day, we will not be waiting for the gendarmes to come and clean out our gun safes, we will not be home. We will be hunting down those WHO ARE GIVING THE ILLEGAL ORDERS and removing them via kinetic ballots.
This article is an outright troll and I expect better from the Reckoning.
There is a vast civilian army of freedom, liberty loving law abiding American citizens who know a government monopoly on arms means certain slavery for their children and grand children. Do you think they want that for their progeny? We are a unique people who will stand up to tyranny abroad and for heaven’s sake, here at home! The Founding Fathers warned about enemies, both foreign and domestic. So I ask you, why would feral government official gun banners not meet this qualification?
For more on what’s coming read The War on Guns and Sipsey Street Irregulars.
Yes, I’ll be lying dead in the street as they pry my gun from my cold dead fingers. I have no illusions about that. But there will be three or four of their stormtroopers lying dead next to me. If each one of us can take two or three of them with us, it’ll eventually be a win.
The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference …..they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.
“2 for 1″ should be the motto.
Here is a thought …the Terroist re out numbered and out gunned in afghanistan yet…we haven’t beat them and completely destroyed them yet have we ? nope and do you really think these highly trained marines are gonna come home and kill their families and friends to remove guns LOL think again they are already POed at the govt as it if the govt ever tries this it will be the straw that breaks the military so all those weapons they bought will be turned back on them ..thats gotta suck..FOR THEM, the american population nor the Armed forces will stand for this, I mean yea you will get a few maybe 1/3. who will do it just for the power trip but you add number of armed america plus 2/3 of the Armed forces and what do you have ? a new country People should never fear the govt, the govt should fear its people
“Take one with you” Winston Churchill
Karger – No I won’t. My son won’t, either.
It sometimes amazes how some of these supposed journalists write about future occurrences as absolute fact when they don’t have a clue what they are writing about. What this fellow has written displays how little he understands the situation, and the reaction from a majority of the 60 million armed American citizens. Any attempt to disarm the American People will start a civil war and the elite and their employees in Washington D.C. know it. They would love see the guns turned into recycled scrap, however they realize any attempt to do so would bring down the present political and economic system in the U.S.A. They won’t risk losing their present gravy train and maybe getting shot or hung in the process.
“The Americans lost to Guerillas.”
are you a guerilla? are any of you? “they can have my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.” geez.
“I’ll just have to take my .22 and start at the bottom with the local politicians and work my way up until they catch me.County,State and Federal,one rat at a time.”
just one problem. those “rats” are the duly elected legitimate representatives of the people at large.
when you set out, don’t forget your blood pressure pills.
“At my age I would welcome the rush of a good straight firefight.”
end the pain, eh?
“’2 for 1′ should be the motto.”
yeah, well in the real world it winds up being 5-20 guerillas for each regular soldier killed. and you ain’ no guerilla.
“the folks who sent them won’t be collecting their pensions.”
if it comes to this, no-one anywhere will be geting their pension, nor will the troops be paid. and THAT is the only thing that will slow them down if they ever come for you.
You’re right – better to be a slave.
Perhaps you should buy a pair of boots and practice your licking skills now.
You insist on ascribing unbeatable skills to those that are citizens like everyone else. There’s no supermen anywhere.
You also seem to know who is what. That’s interesting.
This story, written by a man that lives in a Central Mexico desert? Disarming 40-60 million people is a near impossibility. I will die fighting for freedom and liberty, just as millions have before myself.
“There’s no supermen anywhere.”
true. but what I’m saying is that those who loudly proclaim “we will resist” are mostly chest-thumping goo.
“You’re right – better to be a slave.”
I advise everyone to take honest stock of what you are and what you can do. fact is most of you ARE slaves.
“fact is most of you ARE slaves.”
In what sense?
The organizations and their leaders that push for tighter gun laws or to weaken or eliminate the 2nd Amendment have a common denominator.
Michael Bloomberg, Chuck Schumer, ADL, ACLU, SPLC, Brady Gun Control (Daniel Gross),Violence Policy Center (Josh Sugarmann), etc,
Those of privilege have always wanted the peasants and serfs disarmed.
With your attitude you need to get on over to the Shearing Shed. If you and Sheeple like you keep avoiding your responsibility as citizens of a Democratic Republic, instead of citizens you will soon become slaves to a fascist corporcratic system ruled by parasites.
One VietCong guerilla who killed over 100 American Soldiers was a Vietnamese woman who weighed less the 100 pounds. Guerillas are always outnumbered, although there are a lot of military people who are fed up with those who are quickly earning the title of domestic enemies. So your numbers may not even be close to accurate. Anybody can be a guerilla. The evil crazies in the middle east have proved that.
“With your attitude”
heh. my attitude.
have to admit, some of you advertise an aggressive attitude. you’re strong in that department. credit where credit is due.
“One VietCong guerilla who killed over 100 American Soldiers was a Vietnamese woman who weighed less the 100 pounds.”
I’ll see your guerillette and raise you a few dozen drone operators, several dozen surveillance cameras you flash each day, and the gps coordinates to your front door.
“you will soon become slaves to a fascist corporcratic system ruled by parasites.”
What you should REALLY write about is the RACIAL aspects. When hell breaks lose here, people will gravitate to the groups they know and trust and RACE is the #1 factor in safe group formation.
Then, you need to consider the “good ol’ boy” network and hidden piles of guns, ammor, reloading equipment, etc. The US ARMY bay be able to have “some” say in the cities, but will have NO safety in the back country roads.
The amount of guns already in the hands of “real” white American rednecks is so vast that the US ARMY soldiers stupid enough to round up the guns will endure constant and fightful sniper and hit-n-run attacks.
The US ARMY will never venture into the back country and they will surely suffer hideous deaths and wounds from the millions of real white American “retired” army guys.
Though MILLIONS will die, the “state” can not win. Never has. Never will. They will start off strong with a large minority army killing the “gun nuts”, but in a matter of months the attrition and death rate of the minority US ARMY soldiers will put an end to “police” action.
Millions are EXPECTING this and have been ready for a few decades.
If it comes to that I will bury my guns where only I can find them.” No officer I sold those weapons a long time ago, the guy is now dead, I dont know what he did with them”.
“Millions are EXPECTING this and have been ready for a few decades.”
for x = 1 to TAXIDS
citizen(taxid).income() < MIN_INC
citizen(taxid).loyalty() < MIN_LOY
Yes, the “stand your ground” types will fold or be killed.
But that is NOT how guerrilla warfare is done. Just ask the VietCong… or the Taliban…
You NEVER hold a position against superior fire power. You always withdraw and attack the weak flank. And there are a LOT of those.
Yes I will just be another dead fool, face down in a puddle of Blood on the pavement, why ?, Win or lose, it is far better to be dead than to be in chains, locked in a Prison camp and work as forced labor all my life than be alive. Life has no meaning and all hope is lost if the last free nation on earth falls to tyrants.
What a pile of sh*t!! You, sir, have no idea about LE (law enforcement) or the military. Try sticking to work place training, or whatever the hell it is you do, and stop writing articles on things you know nothing about. “Better to be thought a fool, than to open one’s mouth and confirm it”. You, sir, are a total fool.
What a sheep!! Yeah, just let the wolves devour you. You should be thankful for the banner of freedom provided by the sheepdogs and those of like mind. You need to read “This way for the Gas, Ladies and Gentlemen” by Tadeusz Borowski–a personal account of Nazi Germany. Yeah Jim, just march right on in, we promise it won’t hurt a bit. And Jim, stop your bleating (as in the sound a sheep makes) and grow a pair, huh!
Sure, you can have my guns, but first let me give you the bullets.
Hey Jim, did you ever hear about the invasion of a little tribal nation called Afghanistan by the powerful Soviet forces?? Guess who won?!
I like your retort to the fanaticaly right, but your article makes you sound like an idiot. Anyone can get blackmarket firearms with relative ease. This is a result of gun laws and regulation. Any further erosion of our first ammendment will only increase and strengthen illegal arms. The Gov’t wants to be able to track and control not get rid of. Telling Americans they cant have guns is like saying no trucks or no baseball. You are funny sir.
Lots of Kargers offered no comment or resistance when they came for the Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Ukrainians; they stood by while the trains rolled to the kulaks, stood by in Cambodia, stood by in etc etc etc.
Don’t spit in my face because you choose to be a Karger.
“It is interesting to hear certain kinds of people insist that the citizen cannot fight the government. This would have been news to the men of Lexington and Concord, as well as the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan. The citizen most certainly can fight the government, and usually wins when he tries. Organized national armies are useful primarily for fighting against other organized national armies. When they try to fight against the people, they find themselves at a very serious disadvantage. If you will just look around at the state of the world today, you will see that the guerillero has the upper hand. Irregulars usually defeat regulars, providing they have the will. Such fighting is horrible to contemplate, but will continue to dominate brute strength.”
– Col. Jeff Cooper
Those of you who talk about drones. Its not that hard to take out a drone if you lure it into the right ground.
And if it got to that point it would be full fledged civil war with lots of the same military hardware you decry on both sides of the coin.
Which is why it won’t happen on a national scale and its preposterous to think otherwise
“It is interesting to hear certain kinds of people insist that the citizen cannot fight the government. This would have been news to the men of Lexington and Concord”
yeah, well, we’ve got none of those around here anymore. those men owned their own land, their own money, and their own skills, and they could put in a full day’s work for years on end. today’s “militia” can’t produce their own food, don’t own their houses, don’t own their money, rely on someone else to employ and pay them, and mostly can’t walk a single mile without serious effort. if the modern “militia” were to participate in the battle at lexington more would die of a heart attack than be killed by the redcoats.
“Organized national armies … when they try to fight against the people, they find themselves at a very serious disadvantage.”
the only disadvantage regular police and troops have when facing off against “the people” is that they don’t know who the legitimate targets are and must restrain themselves from just “kill them all and let god sort them out.” they don’t know where to shoot. that’s it. that’s their sole disadvantage.
that disadvantage will not be present here. they know who has the guns. they know where they live. they know where they work. they know where they bank. they have all their phone records and they know where the cell phones are at any moment. they have all their bank transactions. they have full descriptions including height, weight, and portraits.
they know where to shoot.
hey, they don’t even have to shoot. they’ll just lock your credit cards and bank account and send you a form letter. “turn it in to the nearest ffl dealer and we’ll turn it all back on.” whatchoo gonna do, shoot the postman?
When that day comes I will be on the roof of my local PD, with my local officers (I’m not one, but welcome to join them).
As you said, they/we have some nice weaponry. What you don’t seem to know is they’re even more pissed than most people. (holy crap that is a lot)
It’s good to be a staunch independent in Texas sometimes.
gman: which is why CONSISTENTLY when this very issue has been researched DoD finds as many as 2/3rds (and some years its been as high as 80 percent) of troops in the military would refuse an order to sieze guns.
cops would in the aggregate (excluding weird situations like Hurricane Katrina) show similar unwillingness to follow that order (though not in numbers as high as the soldiers.)
So its delusional to think this will happen. The consequence of trying for the state is worse then any gain. (and the benefits provided to troops are going to be reduced…so that makes the soldier’s loyalty to such unconstitutional orders even lower)
I guess this lawyer never studied history and how the french underground made the nazi army pay dearly. Or how the South Koreans dealt with traitors or how the people of the Philapines where fighting to the last man. He is saying all Americans are “COWARDS” without “HONOR” and will gladly put on the chains of “SLAVERY”. Hope he is wrong. Will our own military troops go against the Constitution and kill their own families and loved ones?
Patriot with a Cause said
“Disarming 40-60 million people is a near impossibility.”
On a local level let us not forget one deranged but fairly disciplined and well equipped individual completely dominated a cinema containing with a considerable number of armed adults recently.And they all missed.
If you have a bunch of jar heads with orders to route out a load of “Taliban sympathisers and traitors” at location A, while armed with tanks, attack helicopters and all the other items usually only found on total war battlefields then domination is going to be sudden and bloody.
There does seem to be a fatal attraction to multiple deaths in public places in the US that is only eclipsed by the Indian sub continent.
Whichever way you look at it the possibility of that most hideous of all types of war, the civil war, is not wildly beyond the bounds of possibility in the US.
I wish you well.
Your diluded. Are you forgetting that many of the “cowardly americans” who own guns are former military who understand the very tactics that could be deployed against them? Do you not think they have set up contingencies for such a senerio and also understand that the best laid battle plans must be abandoned the second they are no longer viable? Is it beyond your reconning the kind of damage a mere hunting rifle can do let alone more militaristic weapons which these “cowards” do posess and are familiar with thier use. And one last clue, squeezing a trigger is not very physically stressful. The government will be the aggressor and it takes more energy to attack than to defend.
“Do you not think they have set up contingencies for such a senerio and also understand that the best laid battle plans must be abandoned the second they are no longer viable?”
then you might as well abandon them right now.
didn’t call them cowards. said they’re not up to it.
the modern “militia” is out of shape and clueless. go watch the movies “total recall” and “bourne legacy” for a clue. try walking to the theater to get in shape. in the meantime get a spell checker and use it.
When ignorant cowards are allowed to write articles this is what they come up with! I guess this guy has never heard of the Oath Keepers and that our civilian armed populace is larger than the standing armies of some pretty big countries, including our own. Let’s also mention that we have spent over a decade fighting cave men with our sophisticated and heavily armored vehicles and still haven’t done much more than create an economic quagmire. And, as mentioned above let’s not forget about Vietnam!
Personally, I will die free before I will live a slave. Only the selfish, dishonorable coward chooses to live in chains with his children rather than die breaking them so that his children can be free!
Only three percent of our forefathers actively resisted the British. It only takes a minority to “set brushfires in the minds of men”.
I left the country years ago. To those who think they could resist a military arrayed against them, I say, “Winchester .22, meet F-22.” It’s no contest. You’re right that much of law enforcement wouldn’t side with such an action today. But look at how steadily government is shaping the hearts and minds of the cops and soldiers so that they will eventually comply, in order to “preserve law and order and fight terrorism.” It’s just a matter of propaganda and time.
Would I hand my guns over at the door? Probably. Does that mean I’m a puss? Maybe. I went to college to be a physical education teacher, what I did learn was how to play games. I’m also very vengeful,vindictive, sneaky, and creative. Payback is always exponential to the action taken against me. Somehow, someway I will ruin your day or life.
“Let’s also mention that we have spent over a decade fighting cave men with our sophisticated and heavily armored vehicles and still haven’t done much more than create an economic quagmire.”
so. being outgunned is an advantage?
No I will not submit…and no I’m not dumb enough to believe even for a moment that I will win this battle with my bolt action hunting rifle. I will also never live one day as a slave. It’s not foolish bravado Sir. The day my government comes to disarm my family, I will die. That’s a fact.
Thanks for writing it,
Bruce K. I live in Phoenix Janet. Come and get me.
Alright english professor. Always love seeing that barb.
In your world my 458 magnum does nothing against body armor, doesn’t even knock them down.
I’m fat lazy and can’t physically match up to all the government personnel who are in top condition with the training and will to kill. In your world
Any way I can conceive of resisting will be futile and brief, in your world.
In your world I don’t have the willpower to endure a hardship like missing a meal or going without a electrical device.
Because you saw it at the movie theatre. LOL
“In your world my 458 magnum does nothing against body armor, doesn’t even knock them down.”
I’ll see your .458mag and raise you a bushmaster.
Ask Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap what his secret of People’s War was and it wasn’t the most fancy technology or the biggest bombs. It was people as he said in the book Vietnam by Stanley Karnow. Human beings are the decisive factor, human beings, said Giap. Guerilla warfare is the key in any situation.
So lets say some how the federal government does this ludicrous fantasy: it will be broadcast on the internet and people will go to ground and start resisting.
So the only way this could work is if they did a coordinated gun siesure on all 60 odd million american gun owning households.
Thats not a reasonable logistical step.
While the author mocks the “neocons” for their fantasy he is willing to engage in the giant fantasy that something like this will even happen.
Besides of which you don’t need to take their guns: if the vital resources they need to live end up being rationed by the government you will control far more people.
I will not submit, I will not comply, and in the end I may die, but not before I take a few jackbooted thugs out with me first. I certainly hope Texas and other freedom-loving states would secede before allowing federals to operate as an occupying army.
Says the author who moved to Mexico. Whatever.
The Storm Troopers can’t come for our guns if they can’t find them. Follow the advice of our cousins across the pond and do not let them register our guns. And tell the U.N. their interference is not welcomed. From my cold, dead hands, Mr. President!
They may be able to sweep the neighborhood once and take some guns but they can’t keep doing it. If it comes to that and you’re not ready to die and/or sacrifice your family…just bury them to fight another day. Of course, a few thousand firefights later and they may stop trying to confiscate weapons.
“it will be nothing less than suicide by cop”
Ok, I’m fine with that…(actually I’ll take 10 with me first, like the afghan did last week, AND HE GOT AWAY TO JOIN THE TALIWHACKERS)
“with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy”
already got em…the body armor too with ceramic plates. but even if I didn’t I’d just shoot the Marine that had them. what do you think the Liberator pistol was intended for in WW2?
“armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters”
can you say “IED”? Helos: yes a problem and that’s where we’ll run all the rpg’s, shoulder fired man portables…every country makes them, and we’ll raid the armories as did bonnie and clyde, the Taliban, the FARC, and others cuz that’s where the guns are.
“unless you choose to die that day — for nothing.”
sure I could flee to megziko like you, but that would be cowardice and more importantly G-d created this “last bastion of freedom on Earth”..my intent is His Will, therefore ‘defeat’ is appropriately not in my lexicon.
He lives in MEXICO for pete’s sake!! Where did you get this guy anyway!!! This article alone gives me pause to concern the Daily Reckoning!!!Undercurrent in this article, he can’t wait till it happens…..too many patriots and ex-servicemen and women in this country to let it happen!!
Politicians, police officers, and people in the military have families. They would never even remotely attempt to do this . . .
The American people are the largest military force in the world. You drastically underestimate the results that such a government action would have on the people, particularly after a few citizens are killed defending their rights. The 3 percenters will also come into play (those who’ve sworn to actually uphold their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights) Never forget that ultimately power resides in the hands of the people. The government serves at our leisure/pleasure and our Declaration of Independence makes it clear that when the government becomes destructive to these ends we have the right to abolish or alter it and no this doesn’t mean at the ballot box.
Karger’s opinion is one I have seen repeated by anti-gunners many times going all the way back to the early 1990’s. So it is very unoriginal as well as extremely ignorant. Anti-gunners fantasize that we would just roll over for oppression, just as they fantasize that the political power of the NRA is a myth.
In reality, history has proven that even before widespread oppression of gun-rights could occur, the political backlash will crush the anti-gun forces, just as they did in the 1994 U.S. elections.
At best, an attempt to use force to disarm the American public would spark a violent civil war. In such a situation the military is likely to stand down, or even split and choose different sides. You never know how a civil war might turn out, but I doubt the result here would be with anti-gunners left in control of the nation.
Let us all be grateful that Karger’s dreadful scenario is almost impossible to come about. The political process, however balky, still works in the United States and will head off the dreamy utopian nightmares of the zealots of gun control. Even the limited localities in the U.S. which still impose draconian gun-control will eventually succumb to litigation empowered by the Constitution’s 14th Amendment.
“Ask Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap what his secret of People’s War was and it wasn’t the most fancy technology or the biggest bombs. It was people”
that wasn’t the secret. but let’s say it was – let’s say the key was people. take a look at those who say “from my cold dead hands”. take a good long hard look.
“Guerilla warfare is the key in any situation.”
fine. so. where are the guerillas? y’all ain’t got none.
“Anti-gunners fantasize that we would just roll over for oppression”
“roll” is so appropriate ….
I tried responding to your personal website…funny it didn’t work.
Americans have faced worse before, and survived, and strangely enough, they didn’t run away to Mexico, living on the money they made in the States.
I’m not sure where such an ego-centric self serving world citizen like yourself gets the idea he can sit in judgement of Americans…but you can’t.
Please stay away…we Americans got this.
Michael J Clare
We in a arms race now english proffessor?
Tool is only as good as the hands that wield it. (you smirk as you believe I’m making YOUR point)
Anyone else starting to get the idea that Gman is actually this Jim Karger trying to defend his position? Notice how he said “y’all” as if he’s not in the same boat as the rest of us. Ever heard of it’s a small world.
So GMAN, Jim, or whoever here’s the skinny. You will roll over and lick feet while I and others akin to me will fight to save your sorry arse. I won’t be intentionally trying to help you but if things get so bad that America is disarming it’s citizens then the world is truely in the crapper. And when we American’s preserve freedom for ourselves then you will be there to cry foul for how we accomplished it. It truely will be brutal. But then war is always unforgiving and only people like myself who have experienced war first hand understand what they are to face again. Bring on the Bushmaster that won’t help the first wave. And when you show up thinking your there to clean me up I’ll be there to wreck you too.
“only people like myself who have experienced war first hand understand what they are to face again.”
ifn’ you say so. but you know what they say about preparing to fight the previous war. so let me ask you. when they freeze your credit cards and gas cards and bank accounts and paycheck, and lock down your driver’s licence and insurance, and turn off your phones, and then mail you a form letter that says “turn them in to the nearst ffl dealer for shipment to us, and we’ll call it even and turn it all back on” – whatchoo gonna do?
You don’t move to Mexico for more freedom. You move there because you’re a cheapskate.
My inlaws bitch about having to give their $200/ month gardener 2 weeks paid vacation.
The most cowardly article I have ever read. Americans have a right to fight tyranny and will do so. How many military men and women will they get to fight their own people in their own country? The left will have to continue to spend a lot more time manipulating our culture with lies and Hollywood before they will survive taking our guns away.
“How many military men and women will they get to fight their own people in their own country?”
how many soldiers are economically independent? in an economically declining environment how many will elect to hold onto their paychecks?
There’s 100 million gun owners in the US. If 90% wimp out and hand over their guns that still leaves 10 million armed. Pretty good size guerrilla force. Considering the US spends about $10 million to kill each taliban in Afghanistan that means it will cost them $100 trillion to wipe out the US patriots.
So this guy is saying that the only country in recent history to be successfully occupied by the United States Military will be the United States itself?
Does he think that in the case of open warfare against the public (soldiers and police are also members of the American public, as are their families) that the government will actually succeed?
The occupation will cost way more than either the Iraq, Afghanistan, or current drone war in Waziristan, per week.
You can’t tax the earnings of those paying for the ongoing occupation if you kill them.
The equipment to do this is at least partly maintained by civilians in the USA. And there isn’t that much of it. 1000 Blackhawks and 1000 M1 tanks is not enough to watch every streetcorner, not by a long-shot.
Does he realize that very few of the people he seems to be talking about have anything to do with Neo-Cons? In fact, most gun-toting patriot/preppers actually HATE Neo-Cons!
Whatever he’s trying to do, I don’t think it’s actually indicated by his headline.
Perhaps it’s a fishing expedition to get someone commenting to get a bit graphic about what they’ll do to the Federal Government when the time comes, wherupon an example can be made of them. Maybe those who think they’re in charge believe this buys them a bit more time…
Commenter “gman” wrote: and then mail you a form letter that says “turn them in to the nearst ffl dealer for shipment to us, and we’ll call it even and turn it all back on” – whatchoo gonna do?
A little to obviously fishing for anti-USFG comments there gman.
I’ll bet you’re just hoping some errant commenter will say that he’ll start shooting all the federal employees and police he can find.
Wherupon he can be “Brandon Raub’d” to send a message to the others who might do the same.
People don’t seem to be falling for it. Will you still get paid?
The government is preparing for something het in the U.S.
You are wrong.. broseph. If everyone thinks like you then we are already doomed. Grow up because there is always hope.
Absolutely agree…. with the number of LEGAL gun owners in this country, the feds and / or local law enforcement will have a full-blown riot on their hands and the streets will be drenched in blood!
I don’t think you learned from your Constitutional law classes, Counselor.
Are you aware that the narcotrafficantes who worship Sante Muerte like to kidnap,torture and KILL very rich American expats like you in Mexico right now? And nothing would be done because the CIA and upper echelon in the Mexican and American govt. are hauling in beaucoup big bucks from these drugs!
Well, you are now.
Not too smart, living there.
It’s just a matter of time before they come after YOU.
And what will you do when your own heavily armed security is killed or runs away or maybe turns on you because you are a gringo rico? Hmmmmm Bet you’ll wish you had a firearm with high capacity magazines then
I was a cop/private & corporate security for damn near 23 years and even though the thrill of carrying & training with every variety of weapon and firearm wears off after a while, I don’t think i want some of the depraved,inbred, corrupt folks I saw determining whether I should live or die.
I’m keeping my collection, thank you very much.
Enjoy your Mexican Paradise while you have it.
I think you forgot what happened when the British attempted that.
But you will die and than your children still wont be free. If they ever try to take my guns I will hide them. Than when the resistance gets organized I will fight.
But I appreciate brave men like you who will die first because you will be the martyrs, the rally cry.
I do not agree with your assessment of this scenario. Fact is that a large percentage of both the military and local law enforcement WOULD NOT become a part of such a huge violation of the constitutional rights of U.S. Citizens. To the contrary I honestly believe (based on my conversations with such people) that a large part of those forces would in fact turn to fight against such actions. God Help Us All if such extreme actions are taken.
Now I know how a coward talks ……….A few thousand rounds each and a few million of us can do wonders….. Expect military defectors who really do remember their oath !! You just crawl under your bed like a true liberal pansy and let MEN defend our country. People who had determination and guts founded this place YOU take for granted, and yes a lot of them DIED !!!!!!!! YOU ARE A TRUE COWARD !!!!!
DAMM RIGHT !!!!!!! I GOT YOUR BACK !!!!!!!!!
WE ALL INCLUDING The U.S. MILITARY WILL ALL FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM AND THEY WILL PROTECT AMERICA, AS THE U.S. MARINES QUOTE”WE WILL NOT LET ANYONE TAKE OUR FREEDOM AWAY NO ONE” WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE RISKING THEIR LIVES AS WE SPEAK??? IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THEY HAVE TO FIGHT HERE IN WASHINGTON OR ABROAD, IT IS ALL IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM, AND THE FEW IN WASHINGTON ARE NOT GOING TO WIN THIS BATTLE AGAINST SO MANY, AS WE ARE NOT AFRAID TO FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO KEEP OUR FREEDOM ,AS WE SO OUT NUMBER THE SOCIALIST IN WASHINGTON!! THERE WILL BE A REVOLUTION IF THIS WAS EVEN ATTEMPTED!!
Comparing Lexington and Concord to today is silly. Back then the colonists owned the frontier and every road and path. Gone are the days when you can hide at will, load and secure your own ammo, live off the land, etc. Even back then they had leaders to confront the British. Where are yours? How will you communicate? Need I go on.
I believe they will take our guns, and I agree we will hand them over or die. I’m more worried about protecting myself from criminals, and lunatics then the GOV. I will die in my home before I go to any FEMA camp but when the time comes to give up my guns, as a father of 4, I will comply. This is not a senario where we win. what a sad time for humanity. we must remember what’s most important, our family, friends and neighbors. Try to stay positive and work together when the time comes. BUY FOOD, WATER, GAS and BULLION!
What a pusillanimous writer. My gawd! There’s that spirit of ’76! Thanks for moving to Mexico. Enjoy your quiet life while we work to get our freedom back.
spoken like someone with no military experience
Excuse me? Who said anything about confiscating guns from US citizens? Even if they tried, the logistics is just impossible. Sure, they’d retrieve a few weapons from consenting gun owners. But most folks would “peacefully resist” by hiding their loot and saying something like “guns, what guns?” Then of course there are the 1000’s of “active protestors” who WILL get into a firefight with the authorities.
I don’t even own a gun, but I do have silver. And I know I’d make it pretty difficult for authorities to find my stash.
Your all nuts
As a Guardsman, I find the prospect of fighting the citizenry frightening. There is still frontier; you cannot expect the military to know every facet of the United States. Even in urban environments, there is a homefield advantage that the citizenry has. As for materiel, there’s always a way. There are indeed ways to load your own ammo, even still today (while it might be more complicated). Even so, there will always be sympathizers, black markets, etc. You’re also overlooking the fact that not everybody in the military will support a war against the citizenry (should disarming the citizens come to that). If there is a demographic in this country least likely to give up their guns and fight the Gov’t, it’s military folk.
as a recently retire Army man, I find it hard to believe that the mass military would fire on there own countrymen. I know that has been done in other countries, but ours is different and the mind set of most men and women in uniform is defending the constitution, values and beliefs that founded this country oath or not.
Good for you Austin, Im also ex military and I know that most in our armed forces Join to defend their Country, friends, family and neighbors. I could have a gave a crap less about the govt. I dont believe the majority of our military will take up arms against their own country men. Unless the oath I took when I joined the Navy has Changed, I took an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. The oath also dictates to obey orders given that dont contradict the UCMJ. If the govt tries to disarm the people there will be alot of blood shed and the Military will have to pick a side. I think they will choose the people over some liberal govt.
Who is to say the marines are going to be on the side of the government?
Let’s hope for ALL of our sake that the Gov. doesn’t test the citizens.
I will never give in. I am happy to read here that most military say they would not fight the citizens and even turn on the government to defend our rights. The government knows this and that is why they are scared and want our guns. Not because some nut job killed innocent people. If they come for mine I will fight until they kill me period. I bet I take a boat load with me!! before I die. Our government sucks!! They only want control and those fake tears on Obama’s face make me sick. Our country is better off armed if ever attacked on our soil by some other country. Keep you guns folks!! Tell the government to F off!!
yes sir!! yes sir!
Yea but the fat ones can use scopes today!! they can set on the couch and shoot!!
TO ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS OUT THERE I AGREE WHATEVER MORON WROTE THIS IS A COMPLETE IDIOT, BY THE WAY IM EX MILITARY AS WELL 8 YEARS. AND I CAN GUARANTEE ALMOST EVERYONE I EVER MET IN THE TIME I WAS IN THE MILITARY WOULD NOT GO AGAINST HIS OWN COUNTRYMEN AND WOMEN FOR THE GOV. AND TO THE IDIOT THAT WROTE THIS LETS HOPE THAT NO ONE EVER COMES TO CALL FOR OUR GUNS BECAUSE I WONT GIVE THEM UP AND THERE ARE MILLIONS MORE LIKE US THAT WILL DIE A FREE MAN THAN FALL UNDER RULE OF A TYRANT READ YOUR UNITED STATES HISTORY BOOK BUD LOOK WHAT HAPPEN TO THE BRITISH WHEN THEY TRIED AND WE ARE MILLIONS TIME STRONGER AND MORE EQUIPPED NOW DAYS (MOLOWN LABE) COME AND TAKE IT!
The person that wrote this article is the same type of liberal wuss that runs and hides under the bed or in the closet when someone breaks into their home, get over your stupid liberal self punk, you are not like the rest of the Americans that will stand up and fight for their rights
Guerrilla tactic fighting has, is and will remain to be better than brute force occupation. (hmm I believe during the revolution we were outnumbered and outgunned but alas that pesky guerrilla warfare beat the redcoats)
oooh BURN, Nice!
You and me both Brother. EX military and I will uphold my oath. Foreign and DOMESTIC enemies! they might kill me but I would rather die free than live as a slave. Spirit of 1776 is still alive, dare you wake the sleeping giant and test it!
The u.s is the #1 arms builders of the world. with that in mind I ask this. not only where are they getting taxes from, but who is going to build weapons and ammo for said tyrannical government? LOLOL
with current guns being bought up Id put that number higher, I think its more like 80-100million
You would have plenty of us young Veterans fighting right along side of you sir!
& you’re a troll.
LOL your using movies as referances to get a clue LMAO lolololololololololololololololollolololololololol now I know ur diluted , too much TV dood
i thought the only thing that would slow them down would be not knowing who the enemy is? did you just change your stance already? “No one here is a guerrilla? wernt the Vietnamese farmers? I dont think they had much formal training. unlike in America where most would be EX Mil, trained and equipped. jus sayin there buddy. LOL the way you try and drum up violent reactions in here is funny, very comical.
Look, I have nothing against you or your beliefs. I however do believe that we should be free as the constitution says. I should have the right to protect my self and my family. I will go along with a gun ban if the cops, military, government, criminals and everyone else has no guns. You want to go the the middle ages I am cool with that. As we know, that will not happen. I don’t tell you what you should do. Stop telling me what to do. I pray to god that someone stops this madness.
The day they roll down the street and take our weapons by force, is the day this country dies…. nothing will ever be the same and the Constitution will mean absolutely NOTHING.
You are every bit the traitor they are. Nice clothes on a traitor won’t change what you are.
They already ARE registered. How could you not KNOW that? Are you always that naive?
This must’ve been the same thing the British said to the colonials back in the day and look how that turned out.
Someone who defends his or her freedom to the death…dies free.
Consider the people who want to disarm us, a congress with an 11% approval rating. Those of us who have sat by unrepresented by these transparently owned left/right brands of so called government, will consider the act of coming for our guns as the final call to civil war. The military is a shadow of its former self and will suffer large defections. The officers are weak and make decisions based on politics, not practicality. This is why they can’t stop third world villagers with AKs after spending billions trying to do so. New leaders will emerge to defend the people, and vets will come out of the woodwork to organize militias.
To understand the leadership of the left/right, you have to consider their dilemma, while they want all the control of Hitler or Stalin, Hitler and Stalin, didn’t have two thirds of their citizens baring arms. While the founders of our nation couldn’t have foreseen the economic attack by the Federal Reserve banking scam, or the people’s voice being usurped by lobbyists and corporate tyranny, the right to bare arms may turn out to be the saving stroke of liberty when Obama inks the end of the nation.
Seems to me you Americans are a scared lot, what do you need all this weaponry to defend yourselfs from anyway? Only thing I can see it being is each other. Or maybe your afraid the Queen will revoke your independence, make you spell colour properly. Here in the UK we live without guns, and I’d fight to keep it that way.
Cowardly rhetoric from a lawyer. Typical.
To the author. Many of us “gun owners” are Marines and special ops. We are far better trained than your average pig, no matter how much high tech gear you put on a pig, he’s still a pig. We’ve trained to fight in the face of adversity and fear. Pigs usually outnumber cowardly thugs and have never engaged in combat with a Marine. They will be quickly overrun by a small militia if they dare try violate our 2nd amendment rights
I served in the Marines as an 0311 infantry. The majority of the military will not turn against citizens. There may be a brief battle in the beginning thanks to the Government lying to the military and labeling it’s citizens Terrorists, but the word will get out who the “real” bad guys are. Of course we have to watch out for the pigs, they’ll do anything for a paycheck
Not all weapons are registered, there are 80% complete builds that have no serial numbers which means they are only paper weights and can’t be traced. You can’t use it as a weapon until you properly drill and put it together yourself which is actually very easy.
I’d be fighting right next to you brother! 1-87, B Co, 10th MTN DIV. Konduz, Afghanistan 2010.
From what I have read, everyone is missing the point. The government has moved beyond gun control. Gun control is a distraction. The government’s real weapons are economic and logistical. We have such a fragile society. How many of us would be able to last more than a month or so without electricity, grocery stores and medical services? “They” are robbing us blind through inflation and taxes. “They” are making us dependent on medication pushed through the medical system that they control. Guns are the least of our worries. They will reduce our numbers through attrition and tools far beyond our control. I have my guns to prepare for the chaos that “they” will unleash through turning us on each other to fight for the scraps to survive. The police and the military will be just as busy protecting their own families as we will be protecting our own.
What are you going to fight with if you don’t have guns?
I say let them come, and with whatever they choose to bring. Last I checked my .50 cal will pierce any armor they choose to plate their vehicles or cover themselves with. Yes I’ll die for the Bill of Rights but at least so will a few attempting to impose on it. I seem to recall a government trying to overthrow its citizens in the late 1700’s, and as I remember from history class the government conceded. Only those governments afraid of supressing human rights are afraid of an armed population living within its borders. Live in a country under tyranny Mr. Karger, please, I wont stop you. I for one paid good money earned from the sweat of my brow and it will belong to no one but me without consent. These days it’s possible to even print guns so good luck Uncle Sam, you ARE going to need it. Also, do you really think that a country run by a tyrant will give a second thought to eliminating its criminal defense attorneys? I don’t, so don’t cry to us armed citizens when they dismiss your profession because we’ll be long dead.
Do you really think it would be feasible to scramble jets on civilians, especially seeing as how jet fuel is so expensive right now. That alone would bankrupt the country if our President and elected politicians don’t do so first with their petty squabbling. Sure, lets ride over the fiscal cliff so that our currency is devalued even further. Not to mention cutting funds to towards military defense. Its a good idea all the way up until the invasion begins.
• Knock knock
•Ret us in prease!
You sir are quite the terrible troll. Also all I can say is Geneva Convention, Articles of War, Rules of Engagement, AND especially learn your history. America had the Vietcong FAR outmatched with both air and ground superiority, weapons tech, and training…but ask your parents who won because I’m sure you weren’t born long enough ago to remember.
You are a fearful little man, sir. I’ve worked hard, paid my taxes and fought for my country. Your kind would make me a criminal in my own country…no sir. The Constitution was written for the People, not their Government. A United States government that would turn the military and police against its citizenry are, in fact, traitors. Such a thing coming to pass would be terrible for ALL.
The point was Jon, many gun owners think like you, and it’s pure fantasy. You would die and that’s all.
you’re still just dead.
Do you remember the speech that Mel Gibson gave in Brave Heart when they were totally out- numbered? He had to rally the troops. He told them, Yes – they could give up and go home. But many years from now, laying in their beds after years of rape and robbery, what would they give to come back just once to today to make it right,” or something to that effect. TRUE. I love that scene, and feel a LOT of other true Patriotic Americans like me DO feel our rights, which stem from the foundation of owning a gun of our choosing, including assault weapons, is ABSOLUTELY our right, and is worth dying for. I was a policeman and deputy sheriff for 6 years. I had a conversation once with another deputy in the report writing room, and told him flat out, that if they ever tried to pull this crap, and if our department didn’t formally back up the citizenry, I’d be gone with no notice and would be locking and loading on the side of the citizenry. He looked a little confused, and said, “WOW.” So just to protect your stupid gun, you would actually shoot me if I came down your driveway, just to do my job and enforce the law??? I looked him straight in the eye. “Damn straight. Absolutely.” He looked a little sick to his stomach. I’m proud of all of you who are willing to lay your life on the line for me. I have your back also.
This article got my attention. The scenario is the military and police used against the citizenry.
The Constitution was in existence prior to the Government, provided the framework and the legitimacy for that Government. To go with the author’s scenario, this means suspension of the Constitution (also removing the Government’s legitimacy). Treason…by the Government itself.
Guard your thoughts. Should this day come, you may well be picked up before you reach your weapon.
My apologies if this seems dark, but an act of treason by the Government, is exactly what the article is considering. This is not the country in which I was born and raised.
You gunners have given up every right the
Constitution has to offer and now all you have is your gun. Do you think that
the police state you promoted, the military industrial complex you so readily
support and the homeland security network you so gladly encourage cares about
your boatload of guns?? It’s laughable. You probably all have kids, wife,
family and you are going to jeopardize them to fight it out with the massive
police state? Lock and load all you want but it will do absolutely nothing. Are
you going to join a militia that is tracked by the FBI? Are you going to build
a bunker that any small bomb or chemical agent can destroy? Are you going to
leave your kids and wife behind with loaded guns while you go gorilla? It’s
almost pathetic that you think your gun will save you from the police state. It
may help you fight it out with the gangs and other evils that come knocking if
the state collapses, but if you are not mobile, you are stuck with your small
arms and your sense of macho. You are doomed. Do you think the police state is
going to corral the mobile or the gun hoarders? Fuckers should have fought with
the ballot box, since your box of bullets will only lead to your quick
destruction from the police state you wanted. What are you going to do against
chemicals? What are you going to do against noise and water cannons? What are
you going to do against an army of highly trained, highly paid police and
military personnel that are looking to wipe you out? You are game to them. The
gunless are not worth fighting since they are not a threat. You gunners, on the
other hand, are the prey with a bite. More fun. More challenge. More like the
hunting preserves. It’s delusional to think that you, the 21st Century man, can
fight the monster you created.
I’m in the national guard,..they are not ‘training us’ to take guns,..We are all gun enthusiasts, ourselves,..most of us own our own AR’s and AK’s, and our kids have 10/22’s. So, the armchair girly boy that wrote this,..should come spend the weekend in the desert with my squad, and THEN write something real. The “police state” is mostly guys like us; what, you think suddenly they’re all gonna kill their own brothers and neighbors over some Kenyan?
spoken like a true uninformed douchebag
This is a disgrace. You spit on our forefathers memory by talking like this. Granted, this America and I would die for you to have a free opinion, but your opinion is stupid as f–k. “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The 2nd amendment is for there for us to FIGHT AGAINST OUR GOVERNMENT IF NEED BE. No citizen who is not afraid to fight for their rights will give up their weapons. These “police states” can arm themselves all they want because when s—t really hits the fan, myself and other marines, soldiers airmen, sailors will come to the law abiding citizens aid because we swore to “protect and defend the constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC”. So let the police get organized, I know many former military members serving in the police force that would rather die than have citizens rights taken away.They too took an oath to protect and serve. The only POS who havent taken any oath is Homeland Security, they answer to those writing the checks. So armed civilians ( about 100 million or so?), loyal military members ( 2 million roughly ?) and loyal police officers (who the f–k knows) against homeland security and some government officials? lets be real. youre not taking guns away from citizens. period. Youre a dumbass and puss if you give up your weapons. Just because there are a few bad apples doesnt mean the batch is boned.
Wow feel u on that. U know the relief sandy fund raiser were the song brick in the wall. The kids t shirt said fear builds walls and that. School shooting was planned. Fear hit the kids and parents jump. Smh
So true. The Govt is here for us, not us for them. Most military personal signed up to protect us, not the Govt. My dad is 18 years retired and would never give in, cousin is currently in reserves waiting for a call, but would never give in. Anybody I know Democratic or Republican, enlisted or non enlisted, black, white, doesn’t matter. They will all fight for and with the people. The people do and will always have the upper hand. I just purchased my first firearm before they decided to rule against them. (Had wanted one for a long time anyways). They won’t take away my right I guarantee that.
I am non military and would fight along side you. Thank you sirs for you services. Quite an honorable thing to willingly put your life at risk in another country. You being a vet, I would definitely fight along side you.
I guess no one told you that only 5% of the Colonists fought in the American Revolution. You don’t need a majority to stand up to tyranny, you only need a tireless minority. Apparently you are not one of them. I don’t know if you’ll be able to understand this post though, because I don’t speak sheep.
You also have 4x the violent crime rate we have. Keep fighting, looks like it’s working out great.
I will indeed fight for my right to own a gun, and will defend my rights with my life no matter what you say coward
These are the decorated vets would want to participate in a gun fight with military weaponry brought onto children’s playgrounds firing 60 shots/second over the heads of children on an elementary school playground.
Calm down people. It won’t happen overnight. It may take decades. They take your rights one very slow drip at a time. So slowly the vast majority of people don’t even know it is happening. Didn’t Obummer just get re-elected! Is not that irrefutable proof most people have no clue what is going on? Both, the mayor and police chief of the most restricitive city guns laws in the nation – Chicago – felt the need to respond praising gun bans after Newton while the residents of Chicago literally cower in fear as the city registers its 500th homicide of the year!!! There is no cry by the citizens for arming themselves in Chicago. In the state of Illinois you need to BUY a license to own a bullet. The senior US senator from Illinois Durbin talks – with a straight face – about banning guns except for sport; as if the 2nd amendment was/is all about duck hunting!!!
The author is right – they will take your guns – they already have them in Chicago and New York – one slow drip at a time. Obummer and his ilk guarantee it.
To make this short the government does not control me. They will never take my freedoms or the possessions I have to stop tyranny. They have lost sight of what America is. And no I will not hand my guns over
Somebody needs to tell that story to the Syrian rebels cause they’re being hit daily by modern weapons and are advancing. I know lawyers make their living by talking and conning people out of their money but there is going to come a time when people say enough.
I also forgot to mention that any military action against US citizens on US soil is treason and the perpetrators of said treason will eventually be held accountable. I presume that you’re also referring to the National Guard which is a wild card in a plan such as yours. Know why? Because the Guard is nothing without ammo from the active duty army. Oh they’ve got the equipment and guns but all of their ammo is stored on army posts. So you see that unless the army can guarantee their loyalty they’re not getting any ammo.
Doubtful. Most of them will be looking at their I-phones with a stupefied look waiting for instructions from their government.
The Taliban haven’t been disarmed or defeated because they live and thrive in the mountains and in areas that are beyond government control. Civilized men don’t like living in the field without their basic comfort needs being covered. Oh they can kill as savagely as the Taliban and Al Qaeda but when it’s over they expect to sleep in a warm bed, eat hot food, interact with whores, drink their alcohol and eventually rotate home.
The Taliban and their forebears have been fighting such invaders for thousands of years and they are resigned to it, war is their way of life as surely as the big con of the American dream backed up by modern technology is to us.
Actually fighting in the cities is preferable. Lone men in the country will be spotted with infra red, more likely at night via drones and C130 gunships. In the city you become a needle in the haystack and to get that needle requires huge collateral damage.
“… it is their right, it is their DUTY to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. -Declaration of Independance, para 2
My eyesight is poor, my hearing is shot, my body is shot, but my resolve is still strong and my children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren are many and absolutely worth it.
Al Sledge, 53rd Combat Wing 1965-1969
I disagree. Liberals should indeed have first amendment rights and I would never support killing those whose views differed from mine. At that point we will have fallen to their level. We need to maintain the moral high ground always. My weapons are for defense of my home and my homeland and are not made for executing anyone. Besides, most of the libs are unarmed anyway.
Don’t think so. The neo-cons are the palo-fascists sans swastikas. They are neither new, nor are they conservatives. They want absolute power through nationalism.
They may take my weapon from my dead hands, but at what cost to those attempting to relieve me of such weapons. I’m trained to kill, an expert marksman and anyone or group attempting to disarm me illegally will lose many people in that attempt.
I’m willing to die for my constitutional rights. Who else is?
You are assuming the cops and military will follow orders… LOL.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
to begin with Englishman this is NOT your country but it is ours.
Here is what we all believe who are Patriots the defeated the Red Coats.
The founding Fathers were Masonic Lodge Members along with them the masons that signed the Declaration of Independence.
Here is what Thomas Jefferson said!
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (Quoting Cesare Beccaria)
The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits.
No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him.
To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.
I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. (Back then!)
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
The god who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.
And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter.
In matters of style, swim with the current;
In matters of principle, stand like a rock.
What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all.
The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society.
When wrongs are pressed because it is believed they will be borne, resistance becomes morality.
Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.
The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty…. And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.
It is strangely absurd to suppose that a million of human beings, collected together, are not under the same moral laws which bind each of them separately.
Liberty is the great parent of science and of virtue; and a nation will be great in both in proportion as it is free.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others.
To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
In a government bottomed on the will of all, the…liberty of every individual citizen becomes interesting to all.
I’m a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it.
Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Most bad government has grown out of too much government.
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.
The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.
A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.
I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.
Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?
A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.
The right of self-government does not comprehend the government of others.
An elective despotism was not the government we fought for.
History, in general, only informs us what bad government is.
If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest.
It is better to tolerate that rare instance of a parent’s refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings by a forcible transportation and education of the infant against the will of his father.
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.
I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.
The man who reads nothing at all is better than educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to Liberty.
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I would never give up my firearms. If I died trying to defend my freedom given to me by God, innstead of becoming a slave, I’d say it was a pretty damn good life. If, as the artcle says, the economy crashed and people were forced to hand over firearms, the amount of dead on both sides would be extensive. I am comforted that there are so many people that we willing to die for freedom as I am. All I hear is that I am evil because I own a gun. I am surrounded by totall Liberal crap.
Average US Citizen
How’s that Afghanistan conflict going? We get that whole Iraq thing resolved to our satisfaction? We win yet against fourth world tribesman? It’s easy for a politician to fight an enemy 8,000 miles from his front door……..Not so easy 8 miles from his front door where the politician now has some personal skin in the game. You apparently don’t grasp the concept of guerilla warfare, and leaderless conflict made up of cells. Assymetrical warfare is the biggest fear of ours and other governments for one reason, it is incredibly hard to confront with conventional force. Massive overwhelming military force merely makes new guerillas by perception of heavyhandedness. The Soviets didn’t defeat the Afghans, the US hasn’t defeated the Taliban.
“The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.” -Mao
“Insurrection by means of guerrilla bands is the true method of warfare for all nations desirous of emancipating themselves from a foreign yoke. It is invincible, indestructible.” -Giuseppe Mazzini
There are many of us in law enforcement and the military who would remember that our oath is to uphold and defend the Constition against ALL ENEMIES, foreign AND DOMESTIC! All won’t, but many will…..
More than half of our nations service men and women own weapons. You think they’re going to turn their weapons over? If it comes to another civil war the government isn’t going to have anyone to do its fighting. What do you think it’s going to do mentally to the police who have to gun down citizens because they want to keep their rights? After while it’ll get to them and they see what’s right. If I have to die to help bring about an awakening, so be it.
You have the right to bear arms because that was decided by a few wise men hundreds of years ago. “God” has nothing to do with whatever rights you think you have.
Who said anything about taking guns off americans? Keep your pistol, I think the idea is to remove the unnecessarily high powered weapons. The sort that could kill a terminator, or 50 schoolkids. You don’t need that kind of weaponry to defend yourself.
I’m afraid you are very sadly mistaken. I dont know where you live but where I live we can hide at will. We do live off the land and we 100% load and secure our own ammunition. And if you dont already know the names of the patriot leaders why are you even involved in this discussion.
“Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.”- Benjamin Franklin
To those libs that are so scared to death of OUR government just stay in your homes and dont fight with the rest of the MEN and patriots who will not be enslaved. Because to be quite frank if your not willing to fight for your liberties you do not deserve them.
It is up to the local Sheriff and his department to protect our gun rights from the over reach of the federal government. The 2nd amendment states the right to keep and bare arms SHALL NOT be INFRINGED.
Truth is there is not enough law enforcement in the whole country to disarm one state if about 1/10 of gun owners in that state decided to fight, all you would have is a slaughter and no more law enforcement. The military won’t obey an order to attack American citizens, and if they did they are guilty of treason and lose their authority. What scares politicians most is American gun owners, they’re scared of them because they have to be. Without American gun owners politicians can do whatever they please with no threat of consequence. Being a gun owner has the effect on the government as a alarm sign in a front yard has on a criminal, it sais “don’t mess with me because you won’t get away with it”. The worst thing the government could do is try to disarm the public by force. For one it would make us look weak to our enemies who some have actually been quoted making remarks as to being afraid of attacking America due to the fact that even if you beat our military (which makes up only 1% of America’s population) you still have to deal with gun owners (which makes up around 45 to 50 % of Americas population). Bottom line is the only way to disarm Americans is by force, that being said no one will ever get the guns from the American people without complete chaos, death, and destruction. . . ever.
You forget that our military is voluntary, made up of citizens just like those that you say would die in a puddle of thier own blood and while that may be true for quite a few the fact remains that CITIZENS were once in the military and know tacticle defense strategies. Try as they may to dsihearten the masses against defending our rights and libertys THEY are the fools. True Americans do not lie down and let tyrants run amok PERIOD!!!
If they come for our guns all at the same time people will fight and die. They are doing it a little at a time. There have been cities where they are giving away money, gift certificates, etc and people are falling in the trap. I am sure our troops would not go against we the people. All that needs to be done is evidence planted of a crime or a shooting and the police will act according. Same with the ATF; drugs can be planted etc. There are many ways to get your guns. The Police and the ATF of course would not take a person gun without due cause. The due cause can be arranged. Their patience will win out in the long run. I believe as soon as BHO’s big money string pulling puppet masters attain their agends BHO will get a pair of cement shoes as a present.
All you vets and servicemen are proving me right. I always say exactly that when I have this conversation. “Why would the sons and fathers, who mostly came from gun-owning families, fight against the people they swore to protect?” Thank you all.
He’s forgetting the fact that you would have to have a military or police force WILLING to go after ordinary citizens and neighbors to accomplish this. Most military guys would NEVER raise a weapon against a citizen that is trying to make a statement about how out of control the government has gotten. Especially when they themselves believe the same thing.The government would have a problem even on the state level getting police to even try this. They may in urban areas but in places such as here in Kentucky good luck finding troopers or sheriff departments willing to carry out such an asinine plan.
Yes, as a liberal, a social-democrat, a dual-citizen with Canada, and a strong supporter of President Obama, I still agree with the NRA that the an armed citizenry with a legally enshrined right to bear arms is fundamental to a democracy….. An armed citizenry in Europe would have put a stop to the Hitlerite filth in the 1930’s and before the cancer of fascism would have begun to have spread from one one country to another.
Nevertheless, I turn to the members of the NRA and ask: Why do you need to bring military weaponry onto school-grounds where children attend school? Define the weapons, the holders, how many, the purpose, the risks, the gain, the legal right, the legal responsibilities, and certainly what are the alternatives…….. Certainly there have to be better alternatives than this.
An old article I came across but still a valid discussion. I don’t think it will be so one sided as you think. An uphill battle? Certainly there will be obstacles to overcome but I think there are a lot more constitutionalists, who will resist, than you think there will be.
The assumption here seems to be that the military will blindly follow the order to attack US citizens. It is my hope and belief that many military members would refuse to act as an oppressing force with in the US. I believe it more likely that the majority of the armed forces will resist along with the rest of the Americans who still believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights
Actually, the French Navy was the decisive factor in our War For Independence, and I don’t think we can expect them this time.
When they come for the guns, Jim Karger will already have been killed by someone armed, who needed his car for the $32 of gasoline it had in the tank. Anarchy will reign. Those legions of so-called jack booted thugs, police, or military will have long since gone AWOL. The anxiety about the whereabouts of their loved ones in the chaos, will overcome the fear of court martial by a disintegrating command structure. They will take the government’s weapons, vehicles, and fuel with them. Libya had the fourth largest army in the world and it fell apart in 20 days.
Those who survive will cluster along racial lines with each race seeking a safe haven and a defensible position. Those who can reformulate and take by force within twelve days the resources needed to survive the first twelve months after a total collapse of government and create an alliance with a bordering nation state will be in the best position to retain control of their defensible position. Ports, airports, fuel farms, and communications will be fought for with intense fury. Even the best trained army cannot withstand a small arms force that outnumbers it by 200 to 1. Every soldier’s worst fear is being overrun, cut off from support, out of ammo, and being grabbed by an angry mob of thousands. At some point you must refuel the tank, land the plane, eat and sleep. There will be no peace once the sleeping giant is awake.
You make the assumption that people would do just that. Surely there is a minority who would walk out into the street looking for a showdown. The reality is for every crazy who wants to openly shoot it out with police, there are 9 who would resort to domestic terrorism. Bombing government offices and assassination of political figures. With the number of gun owners in this country, a conservative estimate might be 75 to 80 thousand willing to resort to this.
Many are current/former military and/or law enforcement.
You might not have a revolution, but you would surely face an insurrection. If you look at the number of deaths each year, firearms are so far down the list of things that need to be looked at, that it shows that this isn’t about protecting anyone. It is about the attempt to impose the beliefs of how liberals feel things should be run on everyone.
says the coward that fled to mexico to hide in the mountains
I think most will submit. True patriots will die to defend freedom. It is just a question of how many true patriots are out there.
I am a white veteran, but first I am an american. I have fellow americans of ALL colors that will fight tyranny every bit as hard as I will. I resent the insinuation that non whites can’t be depended on. I have fought alongside all colors of true americans and I know I can trust them with my life.
The comments to this article renew my faith in the amercan spirit. So many patriots.
Omg. Not to be rude but what I just read is the epitome of a coward
I know you are trying in a small sense to be let’s say PC .
So I’ll say it for you below.
Where are these government types going to live .
The “government” has no intention of confiscating guns… they are much more interested in confiscating your assets. They are actively encouraging the purchase of firearms and ammo at the same time placing barriers to due process, inhibiting freedom of movement and association. The idea is to isolate malcontent groups, drive them to “reservations” (no gun control areas) and have them self-imprison by setting each against their neighbours or groups. Presto, you are out of the government’s hair and your obsessed with watching the “other guy”.
I hope no one is paying this idiot to write. Of all the half baked, ill-informed garbage I have see spoutting out of the liberal opinions…this is on top. You’re damn right we’ll fight back. And we’ll win. The population of America has more weapons and people knowing how to use them then the entire military, on top of those who refuse to kill friends and family and chose to actually defend our constitution from a domestic threat, I.E. the current government. It’s all a power grab. I say bring it.
Mike, FW, and Al, you brought tears to my eyes. You old dogs!
I’ll die first, life will not be worth living in this Country, so bury me face down and kiss my ass.
Why do you assume gun owners would be so naive to wait till their door is broken down in the middle of the night. Why wouldnt gun owners take the fight the fight to the building of the confiscators? Or even to break down the door of the confiscators in the middle of the night and even the odds? The best defense is an offense
Jim the mind is a funny thing. When cops and marines find themselves killing their church deacons, little league coaches, school teachers, and high school and college kids, something happens to them. They will rot inside by the actions they’ll be required to perform and hate. They will find themselves at extreme emotional odds with their masters. You are calling the enemy of this corrupt state neo-cons. I suppose that helps you keep score somehow. It’s like calling all who disagree with Obama a racist. It’s shallow thinking but your friends will agree with you. Many who want to keep guns are just tradition loving Americans. Calling us neo cons just makes you irrelevant.
My dad was the foreman of a slaughterhouse killing floor. It was my grandfather’s company. He and his dad ‘built it’. I worked on that killing floor with my dad when I was as young as 8. One thing dad taught me, and I quote. “Son, the sooner you realize the government’s your enemy, the better off you’ll be!” I always wondered why dad hated our government. I did not. But family told me he was a changed man after comeing home from the war (WWll). Dad was a marine in the south Pacific and saw lots of wasted life. Maybe that did it for him. When a just shot steer was rolled out onto the killing floor, dad would smile his tight hate-smile and say, “Here comes Kennedy!” ….. “Here comes Nixon!” That’s how my dad felt relief. But Jim, it’s not the killing, or the blood that’s ever the problem. The problem is when our government causes good men to turns on its own. Then those who still know what it is to be a man will rise up to and push the pansy queers and punks out of the way to protect themselves and the ones they respect. If the government will take that role, great! I pray they do. If they pretend to take my freedom for my own good, then I guess I’ll have to see what kind of man I am. But I think too that the cops and marines will consider crossing that line to kill men like me. Our government has become very practiced at giving up the greater good for the lesser good, for the sake of compromise. But lying to themselves has limits. A hard honest bottom will be encountered. There are no contradictions Jim. America is on a collision course and we will all have to pick sides. Just as we always do.
as a young veteran I can say that you are forgetting that our military is made up of the proudest Americans. and they would not so easiy turn on their neighbors. There is a reason we have the right to bear arms, because the goverment should fear the people and we should not fear the goverment.
No fn way
You speak of our soldiers and police like they have no minds of their own. They are people just like us. Those people sacrifice to protect our rights and our interests. They are not protecting a government, they are protecting us. If the government infringes on our rights, those men will be on our side. All you supporting an infringment on our rights, will be on the sidelines, begging for your lives and relying on other men to protect your families. I wish you all the best no matter which side you are on. May god lift the blinds from your eyes and lies from your head.
The only other karger I ever heard of is a gay rights activist.
so It’s only Neo cons who favor gun ownership? wow who knew that? That statement concludes that’s not a Demo-cat gun owner in the country?
I own six guns I’m not a neo con ,I would leave Iraq and Afghanistan tomorrow and most of the other 80 countries where we have our military . Am I so unusual? I don’t think so .
There is only one reason for “all this weaponry”. To defend against totalitarians encroaching upon our inalienable rights. As for the UK it has been fascinating to watch a society so willingly commit cultural suicide with out of control political correctness and to herd like sheep to the evolving Orwellian police state without even a whimper. It’s sheer lunacy. As for living without guns, I hear you guys have a thing for killing with knives. So much so in fact, there is talk of banning them. Too funny. Enjoy being economic serfs to the state and that government boot on your necks. We will take a pass on that nonsense here.
He already told you what he was going to do. Are you slow or just plain stupid?
Better than an existence that has the sole purpose of being an economic serf to the state and the elite that run it. Some pigs are more equal than others.
Really James? It seems to me our highly outfitted teenage soldiers have enough trouble beating nameless converted sheep farmers with archaic weapons. A severely agitated mass of armed trained educated people that are real to their combatants might proove to be alight bit different. What would our troops come home to dead family and a crippled infrastructure with no one to run it. I’d venture to bet the majority of the machanically inclined and labor oriented populace is pro gun. The latte swillinh Mac toting misenthropes at coffee houses selling intellectual conceptual property do not represent the people who make this world run.
While f@ggots like you hide in the hills with your 11 mutts…. We will fight for freedom … We will overtake the treasonous rats made up of small penis cops , brainwashed soldiers, pseudo presidents and other legions of hell….Some of us will die quickly… Some will snipe the enemy little by little over time…some will overtake tanks, aircraft, state of the art weaponry and armor. It will be horrific….. Good people forced to sheer savagery…. As much as it pains us….WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT… While you play pretend bleeding heart liberals stroke each other off over coffee and pontificating… We will be making sure the evil hordes are being fed a lot of extra lead in their diet…. I think I even heard that some of the more kooky Blue blooded Americans are wanting to wear Biden toothed necklaces while forcing Obama to describe in full detail how he was born in Kenya and was smoking crack while Larry Sinclair sucked his pecker in the back of a limo( not fantasy or propaganda…it’s the truth!!!)…after all that we’re actually going to get to work….. I’m nauseated ….
How’s that for fantasy….pry them from our cold dead fingers….right on Main Street….in a pool of blood…..run and hide with your stinking 11 dogs f@ggot!! (I know they said you were hiding in the hills with 10 dogs….but didn’t you marry one?) F you!!!!
Yep! He is about as uneducated as the dipshit who wrote this article. Regardless, if a man defends his family, home and firearms and gets only one shot off before being dropped to the ground. It’s all about honor. It’s all about fighting for what all the great men and women of this nation who have died for US in the past. They foought so we could be FREE. If we as a nation of people do not fight for what is right then all those people who died for us was in vain?
The the person who wrote this article. You go ahead and live in Mexico. Just one less traitor in this beautiful nation. God Bless America and God Bless all of us who will stand up for what is right.
The person who wrote this can go fuck yourself on a certain statement you made regarding the loss and lack of chance we the American citizens have against this government. We will win, there is no question, we will not give up our rights and you will sit back and watch us win while you feel like a fool when you see that you are wrong. On a side note, executive order does not trump the constitution, we will rise and will not acknowledge any unconstitutional voice.
Give me liberty or give me death isn’t just a catchy phrase we like to say. You may think ill be lying in the street in a pool of my own blood as a fool, but at least I’ll have gone out defending freedom, and everything this country stands for, which is more than I can say for you. As for your slave life afterwards, hope you enjoy it. Probably will wish you would have went out with a fight instead of a bitch
go and watch the movie MARS ATTACK the part where he runs forward with the US flag only to get vaporised on live tv…..your a bunch of gooses,what your suggesting is a war against your own goverment and country this would be the end of the US as a world super power., and turn it into a backwater of civilisation………….one thing though you,d all be a lot healthier ,you couldn,t afford mackas and would have to get off your fat bloated arses and work/look for food.
if your civil war did happen at the end of it,you would be gladdly handing in your weapons to try and get the country back to the good old days.
a single shot rifle with a scope is all any real game hunter needs……autos are only for the ‘mine is bigger than yours’ brigade.
so i say cut out you drivell make theUS a safer place for your kids and give up those rediculous military weapons
no, there alot of firearms that has been passed on as inheritances that are not registered to the current owner.
Comply, when they ask me if I have guns I’ll say “arrest me”. They can’t put 20-30-40-50 million of us in jail! Ghandi did it in India and he drove the Brits back to their island.
Hey Jim, Haven’t you ever heard of Live free or die. Its more than a motto.
I stand with Bruce!
The government would be willing to kill a few of us, but do you REALLY think they’d be willing to kill all of us? Note the q is would they, NOT could they. If soldiers choose to deny their oath to the constitution that is on them. But I believe they wouldn’t turn their guns on us. I plan on fighting for my rights to the death, doing anything else is a slap in the face for the founders of the nation who sought freedom, and a slap in the face to those who gave their lives for our freedom. If you want to live the cowards life go ahead. But i’d rather go down fighting than cowering. It’d all go down hill from that point anyway. Gun confiscation that is.
My gun rights are worth dying for I’ve never committed a crime or been to jail but if you come for my guns I will fight I’m a hard working American who loves his country guns don’t kill people people kill people and this ban only hurts innocent truthfull law abiding citizens
How can I protect my family without my gun or enjoy hunting police dont stop crime they. Respond to it what about criminals with guns this ban will only make people easier targets
you have a man in uniform walk into a building everyone knows he is there i walk in no one will even look up so how are they going to have the upper hand if this gets real. we will know where they are but they wont know where we are but its been tried before all over the world its are turn now
I dare the government to try and take our weapons away from us! I dare them!!
As to the question of a military of 1.4 million, many of whom are stationed overseas, and many of whom would be reluctant to attack their fellow citizens vs 100 million gun owners I would pick the gun owners to win every time.
I’m glad this Karger a$$!’,e left the country and moved to Mexico. Shut the $:&k up and stay the $:&k out!
Jim, you apparently haven’t been keeping up with current events. There are over 5 million civilian owners of AR-15s, and millions more with other types of weapons. That’s 10 times the size of the U.S. Military, reserves, and civilian police combined. Also, what makes you think these Soldiers and police would fire on the civilian population. Perhaps they too respect the constitution and will refuse to participate. Even a 10 percent refusal rate among those combined groups would be enough to stymie the enforcement of this sort of circumventing of the very document that defines us as a people. Even the commander of the imperial Japanese Navy in WWII stated that an invasion of the U.S. mainland would be impossible because ” there would be a gun behind every blade of grass.” So Jim, save the baby for other country’s people. We are not lemmings. We the people of this country don’t cave as easily as you have described.
I think the author is confused about how the Neo-cons are. The neo-cons are just the policy makers
Totally agree! The government actually gave us the right to bare arms in case we had to fight the government ourselves to secure our freedoms. What has happened to us? A democracy is meant to make the government fear us. Communism occurs when the people fear the government. Take away our guns & what happens? We have no way of defending ourselves against criminals or protecting our private property. The government will simply take that away as well & we will be doomed as slaves. “Do what we say or die” should not be the motto of our government. Also, people often forget the black market. Take away a law abiding citizen’s weapons & sell them to the criminals so that we become even more chastized. Afraid that someone may shoot us for the few dollars in our pockets & we have no way to defend against them either. I hope all those who voted for Obama realize what you have done. You have put the Antichrist in control of our rights & he will make us bow to him or we will be put to death. Just wait til the government sends you a letter stating that you have to be “chipped” or you will be arrested for non-compliance. America isn’t known for its freedoms anymore, but for policing of other countries, its deficit, its power hungry government, & its poverty stricken people.
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well mr Jim,,,
I guess your a communist pig,,you rather give up your freedom than fight for
what are forefarther die for,,,,well you forgot: our goverment gave weapons to the drug
cartel,,remember the border patrol officer that die, and 100 civilens also,,,guess living in mexico
seems a nice place to live,,,,,watch your back,,,, and you say we don’t have a chance against
our goverment?? In 2011 there was 800 Million hunters registered in the U.S.!!! pretty damn
big army dont you say,,,and you think the gov is going to take their means away of hunting for
food and protecting themself’s,,,,I don’t think so…!! and now we have million of veterans who
have weapons,,,,,I dont think so,,,,,and another million this past few months of people starting
to understand they need a weapon,,,,I dont think so…..and final our military,,,they are on our
side,,,,,,add it up,,,,,why do you think NO OTHER NATION ON THIS PLANET WILL ATTACK
US.?????,,,,they are not afraid of our military,,,,BUT afraid of the people in this country,,,,
and the ( SECOND AMENMENT ) no other country on this planet has this….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well live long and prosper in mexico,,,well read or hear your death in the paper or TV…
mike,,,EX VET USCG 22yrs,,,,
Good to know everybody here is not a stupid, cowardly liberal. I will fight before the govt does this. I am ready to fight for the Constitution of the United states of America. I am ready to fight for my family. I am ready to fight against socialism and anything against freedom! Come at me lib’s, cause your not going to win without a fight!
There taking away a important part of our lives. One they have our guns we’re useless against them we can no longer protect our selves. Might as we have another war taking this away from us!!!
Communism is a stateless system so I think what you mean is “state capitalism” I.e. the USSR. Leninism bears no resemblance to actual communism; the soviets just used symbols and rhetoric stolen from Marx. Kind of like how Americans think they are free when in fact they are slaves to the banking class and the police state.
Jim Karger – Sure many will comply just like what happened when the Reds took over Russia early 20th Century…they will be killed on the spot or in a FEMA camp – But if even 1% of patriots fight against gun confiscation tyranny – that’s nearly 1.7 million soldiers. I like our odds.
The objective of resistance cannot be to confront and defeat the force of ‘The State’. Success using this approach would not be possible. Passive resistance would be better such as merchants refusing to open their shops, workers refusing to work – truckers refusing to move goods, factory workers not going to work, utility workers refusing to keep power flowing to government installations, etc. This would pretty much pit the productive sector of the economy, those with jobs and other productive citizens and businesses, against the government and the previously identified 47% of the population dependent on the government for their subsistence. With the productive members of society refusing to ‘fund’ their own oppression the whole police state thing would fall apart rather quickly. But probably not without a lot of violent response by the thugs. Just how much sacrifice people are willing to make to ensure their freedoms would be the deciding factor in the final outcome.
I sure am glad that the men who built this country didnt think like you. We would still be part of britain.
Obviously the writer was never in the military. I swore in oath to defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. As a Non-Commissioned Officer in the U.S. Army, I know damn well that the military will not stand for such actions. I guarantee that 90% of the US military will not follow such an order as to disarm the citizens that they swore to protect. These executive orders that Obama thinks that he is going to use are unconstitutional and flat out wrong he will not win this battle.
A revolution against an American govt would occur on the ground, not via ships in the Atlantic. Navy is irrelelvant.
These Marines would have a tough time de-gunning the gangs in the million person cities. Wake me up after seven years and several trillion more spent on another police action EPIC FAIL.
I would rather be dead in my own pool of blood then be a coward against tyrannical government.
I do not agree with you, first the American People are not blind to what is happening, have you watched “the obama deception full version” on you tube, if not suggest that you do, do you have any idea how many prior military there are in this country who are between the ages of 25 and 65 who are hardened combat veterans and believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and will stand and defend them, you need to step back and take a look, not to mention the multitude of bike clubs (some call them gangs) but if they melt together under one banner the Old Glory, add that to the count above, i have never known a biker who does not love his guns.
“How will you communicate?” Lions, Tigers and Bears, what are we gonna due? Somebody save me. Hey metrosexual, try HF [high frequency] comms! The dope that wrote this article is a lawyer, living in Mexico, he has already surrendered. I am a 20 year special operations Vet, I will not give up. It wont be our military we have to worry about, it will be a One World Order, Foreign Military we will have to worry about.
Don’t be too sure…..
Fight for nothing? You can spew all this comply bullshit and lay down if you want. But I’m not going to go out without a fight and I’m sure there are many others like me. I’d rather be laying in a pool of my own blood than than give up my freedoms. Also Armed forces have taken an oath to uphold and defend the Constition against all enemies, foreign and domestic! Traitors will be arrested and hung damn it all!
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
It’s funny cuz not all my guns r at home some in a secure location so good luck to them in finding them haha
Hey Karger, Right on , you sound just like the communist sympathiser you really are. Hope a mexican rams it right up yours. I will die trying, I signed the blank check once and it has not been cashed yet. Collecting a lot of interest. I am an American Veteran and will uphold my oath. You are a sorry excuse for a Human, although an outstanding example of what lawyers are doing to this country.
Semper Fi Hutch.
He lives in effin Mexico with his wife and 10 dogs. a corporate lawyer. Kinda explains Him.
He already ran to Mexico.
Deep in the heart of Texas.
Only three or four? Don’t be a slacker
Any unlawful order.
Thank You Sir, And I Yours.
Exactly, Guns, What Guns, OH, you mean this one, Smile and wait for the flash.
We as a people have to take race OUT of the equationng as it is perpetuated, we will all be slaves to the manipulators.
Seems to me, Ireland is Part of the UK Though you try to ignore it,, the same rules apply there, but the IRA gets the point across.
THIS COUNTRY DIED FOUR YEARS AGO AND JUST HAD THE ISTRIBUTED THIS ELECTION.
This Country died four years ago and the point was driven home last election.
The benefit grabbing boneheads reelected him, or did they?
He is Not an American, He is a Traitor who moved to Mexico with his wife and 10 dogs for a food supply I would think.
strong supporter of obama, kinda sums it all up.
The day any gov takes aim at civilians for what ever reason is the beginning of the end of that gov rule or at the very least the gov will quickly lose favor. That’s why martrs live on forever.
My 13-yr-old daughter asked me yesterday what the tipping point would be for me to defy the government on gun control. I told her it would be confiscation of existing guns. She asked if I would be willing to die for it, and I said I would. She thought for a minute and then said, “Dad, I wouldn’t want you to die, but I understand and would be proud of you.” If she gets it, it confounds me how the left doesn’t. I’m just an average suburban, non-military, two-kids-and-a-dog guy, and consider myself politically moderate. If I’m willing to die for this, do the math…
I spent a large portion of my life in conflict zones. I am a patriot. but to be honest I dont think I have it in me anyore to fight. I faught for years already. I dont think if I couldnt turn my hate on again. It might sound easy but its not. On the flip side I believe that anyone against the 2nd amm.or title 10 is guilty of treason. And being at a defacto state of war would require the stricted punishment. One guy did have a point, who will lead you rebels/freedom fighters? This aurthor already gave you up and your cause when he moved instead of organizing a group. I have been seeing alot of talk online of revolution and fighting the government if they take guns away. I have also noticed that in history, there is usually alot of Higher up officers in the miitary that get fired right before a weaons ban/ confinscation. but in america today you will not see armed revolution. you will not see fighting in the streets because you have already lost. americans lack of prevention and unwillingness to fight will cause your downfall. the ones who had the will to fight, lost in fighting in bosnia, iraq, afghanistan, africa, and everywhere else. Not all lost the will to fight but alot have.. There is no point in trying to take on the goverment we elected when almost no one is going to fight. Most people will not fight because they are comfortable. Why risk dying for a right when you have2 cars, a garage, a house, a morgage, you take vacations every year, and eat steak all the time. Very few people in the country actaully suffer (compared to global struggles). And this ban will not cause anyone to struggle. History has taught us that it is easy to rally people to fight a foregin power but hard to rally people for domestic problems unless there is serious suffering. We just dont have that. i hopeyou
I hope you prove me wrong
I would rather die than live as a coward like you will do, I will not turn over my guns I look forward to death anyways and if i take a few with me which i will do before they get me so be it
I really have no where to go nothing here at home to look forward to, do the guys coming to take my guns feels its worth their lives to take them from me? do they have kids a wife etc they would like to see again? try to take my guns and a few of them wont have that luxury yes they will get me no doubt but I will get some of them as well.they will do me a favor and i will do them a disfavor bring it!
Dear sir, while you have critically thought this essay out. I strongly disagree. I will die for my rights. I will fight for myself and family and am prepared to use my military training to do so. You may be correct about not being able to stop legislation, but we all will fight it. Even law enforcement officials will fight it. Your argument is valid, but remember this. A country whose civilian population can’t defend itself will fall to other nations.
In case it hasn’t been said already, a majority of military and law enforcement will not enforce gun laws. It will only take one George Washington like figure to fragment and split government forces.
maybe I can add something – I grew up in Poland – a country occupied by the enemy for more than 200 years. The truth is that it takes a lot of long term oppression to reach the social breaking point. And then people are too weak to fight back. I admire your passion and courage and it is easy to say “I will fight!”. You are right to say so but it is not so easy when you are tired and thinking of your next meal… The war against people will take a form of 0s and 1s, electricity, clean water, commodities and access to information. I have seen it before, I wish America all the best. but it is not that easy being tough, trust me…
Support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic……..We have a domestic enemy right now, in the White House. Do you honestly think that seasoned military people will side with the government? Their sworn job it to protect the Constitution……That INCLUDES the second amendment that our lovely terrorist president is trying to kill. The best they might be able to do is turn a few new recruits to their side with lies. As for law enforcement….most of them will side with the people also. Those that don’t, will likely see a huge decrease in population, while they go elsewhere where they can defend themselves together.
Trying to enforce this will absolutely turn this country into a huge battlefield, with another civil war. And it wont be North vs South.
They always say that your doom wont come from the outside, it will come from the inside. And this is what is happening right now. While we may have a bunch of sheep out there that will do as they are told, when to do it and how to do it, there are so many more that will NOT be led like sheep.
Your full of **** ! stay in Mexico you dirt bag..Remember the Alamo! Jerk!
Semper Fi Be it liberal or conservative the government that attacks the Constitution or tries to attck the citizens would not long endure.
A “Revolution” against the Constitutional government would cause the
military to stand against those in rebellion. The Constitution provides for
governmental change. If the government moved against the people and they defend themselves; then I believe the US military of all ranks would identify with family over oppression.
The field weapons were similar then. No contest now. BUT no one is going to take our weapons. Do you really think our sons and daughters in the service will do that? Do they not share the same or simular values and fears. They would be more likely to defend the Constitution and move on Washington before their own kin.
Completely untru!! Most of us pigs served as well.
You sir are wrong, I know that most of the military would not fight the citizens, they believe in our rights, that is why they fight. You can talk the talk but I assure you, I can walk the walk!
Most of the military comes from the southeast USA, happens to be where most of the gun owners are as well, what do you think their opinion on gun control is? It is also illegal for military personel to follow unlawful orders, if it violates the US Constitution then it is unlawful. 2nd admendment clearly states it shall not be infringed on. No one I know will follow this order.
Dear Daily Reckoning,
I know this article is already a bit dated, but I’ll post anyway. Three things must have happened that this article by Jim Karger came into being: 1 – The DR editor was out of the office… 2 – Jim Karger just finished the first book of the hunger game series… and 3 – his internet connection in Mexico was tampered with, making him a victim of Mexican Government forced opinion…
Hey Jim, unbeknownst I’d welcome you and your family back in the US anytime, just call ahead.
All the Best,
Ever heard of gurilla warfare? Yeah the government wont win
I can PROMISE you I will fight to the death if anyone tries to come for my guns. I’ll be glad to prove it. Liberty is worth it, and if there must be violence, let it be in my generation, so that my child can live in peace with liberty.
Amen good sir.
I inherited a nice stockpile that have slipped through the cracks. No one knows what happened to them and they never will. And many of them never required registration to begin with. And if this yahoo thinks I would ever hand them over, think again. I’m not going out in a blue suicide and they will never find them. I don’t think I’m alone here. I didn’t think of all this on my own.
amend brother,so am I
The author is an idiot. The neocons WANT gun control. True conservatives and libertarians want freedom. Jim Karger is joyous that the government would slaughter its citizens. You are NWO scum, sir.
As long as it stands for what you believe in. Alot of us took that oath but I will not stand for a corrupt government no matter the oath I took. My loyalty is to and will always remain to my fellow citizens not a corrupt tyrannical government.
Not to mention chemicals, electronic, soundwave, an other non-lethal technology which would render a person unable to use his weapons. These conservative idiots handed the government the ability and the right to do this to them when George W. Bush was President, and any time anyone tried to bring their attention to this they would be accused of “hating America”, “endangering the troops”, “not understanding the threat”, “aiding” or “appeasing” the enemy, not “remembering we were attacked”, cowardice, treason, and on and on. The truth is that it is the same people who boast loudest of their guns, who bluster about their willingness to use them on their fellow citizens, and who talk incessantly about the Second Amendment, who are the most fearful and frightened among us. Certainly they are easily manipulated by the politics of fear, the m.o. of the Bush Administration and is the animating principal of the John Birch Society wing of the GOP, aka the Tea Party. I believe that a brave people with a wise leader would have not have been asked to and would not have surrendered the liberties we couldn’t wait to give Bush, via the USA PATRIOT ACT, after the 9-11 attacks. The Americans of previous generations would have absorbed a 9-11 attack every day and not given these things up. To do so was to reward our attackers by doing everything they believed we would do if they were successful.
They will not use our military to take anything. Thosejobs will go to the UN troops. Have you seen Google Earth pictures. They are on YouTube. Thousands of UN vehicles at Jacksonville, FL. Also at Bakersfield and LA port in CA. And More.
Hey Kay just stay home and watch HONEY BOO BOO! W e really don’t want your help.
why we would beat the government because if we decide to fight everything stops also the rest of the world will also attack their governments because now all of the conspiracy theories become very real we will have no choice but to fight to the death if we let them disarm us then the only people with the guns will be the government fuuuuuuuuck that are you crazy they will be free to do what ever they want to us
Ill take death over enslavement anyway. Give me liberty or give me death. I’m not afraid to die nor am I afraid to stand up for myself but I am afraid of a life spent living according to what oppressors tell me to do not what I want to do. Way too miserable of an existence.
Those who love there freedom will die. Those who obey the gov will die. No on wins.
Jim Karger doesn’t know what he is talking about. He points to “Active duty Marines… being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world”, but fails to understand something called a constabulary force. A constabulary force is civil, non-paramilitary (police) force consisting of police officers called constables. Prime examples are the Italian Carabinieri Force, the French Gendarmerie, and the Spanish Guardia Civil. This is a type of law enforcement that is a middle ground between the police and the military, who serve to create and preserve law and order in chaotic environments. Other than the military police, we do not have this sort of police force in the United States—hence the training given to the US Marine Corps (and others).
Jim Karger = NWO scum
I really hope you are correct.
Wow what a bunch of bullshit. They will take your guns do you can’t stand up for what us right. Heaven forbid if we had a civil uprising for wanting change for the better, instead of the governments allowing the hard working people to have everything stolen from them by the very laws that allow it to happen legally. What a sad state of affairs this world is in. WW3 is next so just remember it will get real bad before you see it improving.
When the government comes to disarm the people, there will be no Constitution of the United States to defend.
Something I think people are overlooking is that I don’t think it’s our military we should be concerned about. I’ve heard this has a lot to do with china. And I’ve heard from a few LEO buddies that we’d have to worry about the Chinese army invading. So even if our LEOs and military are with the people we could still possibly face an army from a foreign country.
Hey Jim in Mexico, what’s the point of this article, other than to troll for a few more names for the big list. People like you are not needed, not wanted, and not worth a damn. You live in fear, you will die in fear of your God before whom you will stand. We live free, and will die free, through the blood of Christ that we were bought with. Coward.
Someone seems to be considering military operations within the U.S. I certainly hope I was fooled with this one. I don’t remember anything quite like this when I was Military Police.
The suggestion that I or anyone I know as a soldier would ever cause harm to an American citizen while trying to carry out an illegal order that infringes on their constitutional rights is offensive to me.
Your statement begins with a flawed premise.
when they come for our weapons, will will take over the nearest millitary bases and take their tanks and guns and planes . Do you accually think that that is impossible? Texas as no love for our government ,only love of our country and will fight to the death
we have the right to overthrow said governments when they can no longer stand by its constitution, in the past ONE man standing up to an army has been enough to rally forces to his aid. I will stand up for my right to bare arms
“Jim Karger is a lawyer…”
I sort of liked that part. Jim, you reveal your character in this essay. It’s a character that doesn’t surprise me.
Well said. I know that oath and I’ve taken it; I’ve actually taken it more than once.
I’ll defend against all enemies of the Constitution, but everyone has to have priorities. It’s important to defend against the most likely threat first, and today that threat doesn’t seem to be in Afghanistan.
Your last sentence is the crux of the matter; at present more than 50% of US citizens are collecting daily bread from the government. It gets difficult to cut off your food supply in that circumstance.
some of you crack me up… the police up hold the law not because they agree with it but because it is the law, and because of that a lot of “law breakers who are American citizens” are shot and killed .. when there is a riot and the national guard is called in they will do the job they are ordered to do with out personal opinion and emotions.. feel free to test my theory. if new laws or bans are placed on weapons, and if anyone refuses to obey the new law they are no longer law abiding citizens and will be met with force . pretending the military will take your side is just wishful thinking, no no let my change that,, dangerous thinking.. before you launch a full scale war I suggest you make sure you have the backing. and stop thinking with street gang mentality
So your idea is to just take it up the butt…
no, it’s not that they are fighting just to keep a boom stick. people with the nra defend to the death the second amendment right to bear arms for a reason. that amendment wasn’t laid out so that folks could go out and deer hunt and feed their families when times were tough. it was put in there so that you could defend yourself, others, the constitution, and the bill of rights from the government should we ever find ourselves in the midst of tyranny. if you seriously think you can defend yourself from the weapons that the government has access to with revolvers, break barrel shotguns, or worse yet, sticks, you are seriously mistaken and an unfortunate product of modern day society. ultimately, those that say they won’t give up their guns are defending their country just as much as anyone who enlists.
99% of the people who replied are idiots. The government gets what the government wants always. period. end of story. They will always have a way and will eliminate anything in their path with any needed items. I’ve heard deep rumors that the government would use a nuke on the people to prove their point. Krager is right. If you dont like it then leave. Everything the gov. does is for a reason. Everything they do is planned years ahead, LITERALLY EVERYTHING. Every little thing they do. Doesnt matter who is elected president, the exact same decisions and stuff would happen regardless the person in office. Government will always win, if you don’t like it, there are many other places in the world to live. Japan has the best gun laws ever
You dont think government will find a way to change the constitution, if not just redo it or bring it up to modern day times??? Kramer is right, if you dont like what the USA is doing then just leave. Dont try to change the government, just leave. Many other countries in the world. Japan has the best gun laws, we need to copy them
Tard. I will laugh when the gov. changes the constitution. Sure we all say they “cant”, but has that ever stoppped them before? no, never. Why would you risk your life for an object or some made up rule that only applies one place in the whole world????? We say america was built on guns… Well lets remember what really happened.. It was an exact replica of vikings.. except we came on to the shores and just started shooting the natives of the land so we can call it ours……. So we literally came on to shore killed and took over this land to call ours. Guns should be banned think about that…. Literally killed millions just to call this land ours. We stole this land, we dont deserve guns. This country is a joke. Either accept the changes it makes or leave the country. simple choice
LMAO we wouldnt win at all. The government has nukes and would use them to get their way. They always get their way, always, literally. Anything it takes they do it. Dont kid yourself, the goverment wins. Either accept the changes of them or move to a new country.
How about when the Gov. changes the constitution? Sure it says the “cant”, but that wont stop them, and never has. So once the changes are made we will all be on the same page again. Quit fighting the man and just accept the changes or move to a new country. All a gun ever did was end life, the greatest thing of all time.
Im for a writing a new constitution and amendments. They are old and out of date. Follow the gun laws of Japan. They are no different than us, just the gun control is real.
Like Krager said, if you dont like the laws or whats to comes, then just move to a new country. Quit trying to change people and the government.
Uhm do you not realize how completely stupid as fuck you sound? Haha you’re an idiot, please don’t even bother replying unless you have something intelligent to say. On the other hand, I’d love to know where you think governments “always get their way” because seeing as that’s never happened in all of western civilization I’m pretty sure you just watch too many movies kid.
what they libtards dont think about is a gun behind every door, if only 10% of americans think the way i do then there will be 33 million ppl fighting to protect their rights, there is not an army big enough to take on 33 million ppl, but i would be willing to bet that the number of americans willing to stand against a gov willing to deprive ppl of their rights is closer to 100 million ppl that right aobut 1/3 of the american ppl. even if the UN came in they would be done on the first day, house to house fighting in the USA only leads to the invaders numbers reaching 0 and getting there quickly
libtards? way to gain support .”there is not an army big enough to take on 33 million ppl” what do you think the GOV is going to meet you in the street and fight you one on one? there are many ways you can be taken down .. your talking about the 21st century Americans, millions that have not gone more than a few days with out TV or electric. millions that have never camp out doors. millions that put their material things ( cars, home , money) above life it self .. millions that have a family to consider .. then you have the undesirables… people who to tend to profit , riot , rape and steal.. think you all are getting ahead of yourselves.. I think this should be approach from a “what you know” and not from a “what you think” postion.
It’s quite insane to think disorganized resistance will defeat the brute power of the US military. Taking into consideration the fact that the goverment can cut off and isolate people easily. The few places left in the US that are capable of guerrilla tactics are irrevent, and in the most obsese country in the world, i find it laughable to expect many people would be capable of fighting anyways. Change your goverment democraticly and throw out fantasys of civil war.
Yes, State Power will crush you like a grape.
His point was, don’t expect outside help.
His point was, members of the military swear to uphold the Constitution, not the government.
My freedoms and family are worth dying for. This is not the America I grew up in and I want it back.
The first part states “I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend
the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;” so the 2nd part seems to somewhat erase that commitment by saying ” and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States
and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to
regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” If the the same serving president is the tyrant how can you obey the president if he is violating the Constitution?
Thank you to all service people. you are the protectors of all our rights & each & everyone of you deserve much better then you ever receive. I hope the President wont ever demand that you ever have to choose. Thank you for standing on the side of justice & we the people.
Well, as a born and raised Texan, a Vietnam vet, a minister, and nearing 70, I am preparing for what looks like the inevitable by being in a “private” gun club to sharpen my shooting skills. We are practicing preparing for gun encounters … not just whacking paper targets. I am resolved to defend my family and the people of the United States over this corrupt government that is in bed with the banking cartels and the communist U.N. Our treasonous leaders have surrendered our nation’s sovereignty, but they have not surrendered me. Thank God that many Americans believe as I do, as so many of you have shown. I want to leave this country better than I found it, but that is getting almost impossible because of the corruption in politics and so many people being on the government dole. (We were warned about largess by our Founding Fathers.) I will not be moving to Mexico, even though they have left a lot of room for us by so many of them coming in here illegally .. with our government’s help.
When the time comes to take up arms against this government, and I am afraid that it will come, we better be prepared mentally, emotionally, physically, and spiritually. Killing other Americans will not be easy.
If we must fight to keep our liberties, fight bravely and remain faithful. Remember the words of Patrick Henry, “I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
God help us all.
Best to survive and wait out the inevitable collapse of the police state. They always collapse. Bury the gun and say “I sold it and did not take any names”
This guy is the type of pu$$y who wondered at the end of Braveheart why William Wallace didn’t just say what they wanted so they would just kill him already. Some men, real men, would rather die than live the rest of their life in shame. Of course, shame is no problem for a lawyer. He probably hasn’t felt shame in years, if ever.
And for the record, I was in the military. And if my commander told me to open fire on American civilians who were willing to die for their constitutional liberties, I would have been more likely to point my M4 at him.
So suck on that, lawyer boy.
Well gosh, youre right, the police are getting more and more militarized Many city PDs have one or two armored vehicles and a whopping three or four cops to every 5000 civilians. Of course you will have to factor in those police officers that support the second amendment. Then, it would probably be a good idea to take into acournt those civilians that are combat vetrans and have seen ten times the fighting that the average cop has. Now lets deal with those armored vehicles; any frikkin idiot knows how to make a molotov cocktail.
Remember those partisans in Europe during WWII? Germans had lots of tanks, airplanes and artillery but they were dealt some serious blows by people on the streets and roads. What it takes is unity and I think those armed civilians can come up with that pretty quickly.
Ray House-U.S.N. (Viet Nam)-I too am willing to fight. Just ordered a scope for my rifle!
Yeah, how did that work out in the Soviet Union or China or North Korea? Can you outlast 80 years? I dont think so.
Because you miss the 3rd part, which is at the end of the 2nd part you claim is causing conflict of orders….
according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Thats because you think everyone is a brainwashed lemming like yourself. You really think 100% of our military will blindly follow orders and shoot American citizens? I dont think so. At least half will fight on the side of the citizens, probably more like 70%. If 70% leave, there is no way the other 30% are going to keep fighting.
You dont think the ones who fight on our side will bring with them the jets, tanks, ships, etc??
And no one fantasizes about civil war. Thats just ignorant and retarded on your part. You are a typical lazy and apathetic American.Thats ok,, we’ll keep things in check for you.
Like that has anything to do with whether Americans will fight for freedom or not. There is a difference between griping when our power is down after a snow stom or hurricane, and there is a difference when a President tries to become a dictator.
Good lord, get an education. You are comparing apples and oranges. If there is a government take over, you think many families wont be destroyed from that take over, so what families will these freedom fighters have to worry about? You dont think the famers during the Revolutionary War would’ve loved to go back to their warm homes and eat a hot meal as opposed to fighting the British, risking their lives, freezing in the cold with no boots or winter clothing and maggot infested bisquits? If thugs and gangsters are willing to risk their lives because they have lost all hope, what makes you think gun owners wouldnt fight?
Again, to the slow dim witted libturds…. there is a difference between enforcing no looting laws that everyone agrees with, even if you have to shoot Americans…and there is a difference between shooting Americans because a President shredded the Constitution and wants to create a dictatorship. You think our troops, not to mention Generals, Colonels, Lt’s, etc… will just blindly go along with it?
You are an idiot.
That would be domestic as in a domestic terrorist not a homeowner protecting his constitutional rights. You would be very ignorant to actually believe that All US soldiers would attack their own people. Something like this would split all law enforcement including the military
Jim Karger being a lawyer. Should know better then to post a stupid article such as this. The US will not attempt to ever disarm its own citizens. This would ensue in its own destruction. At first people will comply. But after the first few shots are fired and citizens are killed. People will arm up take sides and fight back. You seem to forget that millions of young Americans are trained to use the very same high tech weapons you claim could be used against us. Once the military and police forces split and divides (which it will) those same people will take military bases and use those very same weapons against the opposing side. The only thing the US and every Government like them fears is its own people. I know some conspiracy’s believe that the government is arming to fight its own people. But what is more believable? How about politicians getting fat pockets working through the NDAA act to get big government contracts pumping billions of dollars into weapons manufacturing firms for (Home-Land Security.)
America has one thing that no other country has. A constitution that states “it is your God given right to keep and bear arms”
The Gov’t would be a fool to try to start taking guns away from a person’s private residence. After the first few confrontations with deadly results (whether it be the homeowner or the Gov’t official) there will be an uproar of support for the common man and HIS castle.
On another note. You need a financially bountiful gov’t to operate such a police takeover. America doesn’t have one.
My bet is for civil disobedience from the lack of food, water and shelter (currency collapse) before any idiot decides to dis-arm 300 million angry people.
The military isn’t big enough.
I would certainly hope so. After all, this IS their HOME too. It appears we as Citizen’s of this country are about to be in a mess, as the Dollar has been Planned to collapse, and DHS and TSA are LOADING up on very deadly ammo with OUR name on it! Seems some “reichstag events” are planned perhaps and blame placed with the “evil gun owners and patriots”….American’s stand in the way of “their” NWO dictatorship it would seem. I pray this day does not come, but it appears baked in their cake they want to serve to us all. God Speed to All who will not go quietly into the night.
Hmmm, and what if that statement is a Conflict of interest….should they try to do away with the Supreme law of this land—The Constitution eh? Then u would side against your own people?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMEN! God Speed you and ALL the True American’s who will DEFEND this country and her people!
Im sorry but i don’t believe any ex order can erase that one The Constitution IS the Supreme Law of the Land—it cannot be undone or suspended…duh
Your a fucking Communist
The US MIlitary’s 4 branches would turn on any president or congress who tried to order them to kill their own families or to disarm American citizens. They would obey their oath they took to protect the constitution and would see those orders as coming from a domestic enemy….. the U S government…..and as an act of WAR agaibst the American people they swore to defend. In other words if you tell a man or woman in the Army ,Navy , Air Force Or Marines to kill his own people and you are the president.or congress.get ready to be an EX-president. and ex-congress. Any Untied Nations forces or NATO forces brought in to disarm the people would be seen by our military as foreign enemies of the people of the USA and be attacked by our military with all of it’s power. The fighter jets , tanks , helicopters and all other military hardware would be used by our military as the people own these weapons to begin with. The congress and president did NOT pay for these pieces of military equiptment …WE DID.
The Nukes would not come into the picture. that would be dumb of the govt. That would be shooting themselves. Besides our sons and daugthers, brothers and sisters, fathers and uncles etc control those too.
God given right? really Erc Seitz where it say that? I think you are quoting Romney.. or possibility the NRA. really gun nuts clam down , you want to fight so bad join the military and show your bravely by defending our freedoms from our current threats ..
the right to bare arms would be the right to wear sleeveless shirts.. while it a nice option on a hot day, I not willing to die for the right ..
Think before you speak, sir. Millions of us are veterans…millions of us did fight for our country. By the way, did it feel good exercising your 1st Amendment?
For the uneducated, the Constitution was written BEFORE the current form of government. The Forefathers were clear it was up to the people to watch the government.
My 2 cents:
If the ruling members of the government believe they can win, they will act.
No threats, no bluster and always use your primary weapon – that thing between your ears.
Worst case – Civil War. As my father said and the Vietnam vets that trained me – fight smart, not hard, remembering that death is forever.
We should have never reached this point. So, whatever Higher Power you believe in, have mercy on us all.
LOL 64 year old Vietnam vet here .. and you were saying? times must of changed since my days , we were told we were fighting to preserve “everyone” rights and freedoms .. rather they could fight or not .. what kind of men/women is the military turning out theses days? you can’t handle a little back talk on a web site? when my generation came home to be called women and babies killers to our faces. and not once did we demand respect for our service .. you don’t like my comments? too freakin bad..
We have a liberal government right now !
It would not surprise me when we have alot of blood in OUR USA.
This author is a defeatist coward with no grasp of military history and conflict. The record shows much in favor of the guerrilla… the insurgent. He also discounts the number of LE and servicemen and woman who will simply not comply with unconstitutional orders. I think he speaks more for himself than anyone else.
The difference between now and Lexington is that then, the people wanted their freedom; then, the people did not vote in the oppressing government. Now, the oppressing government has been voted in by more than half the people; many more than half the people cannot see that the hand that feeds them is the same hand that oppresses them; and finally, the real problem: more than half the people think they are free now and are therefore not willing to fight for a liberty they believe they already have.
Jim, you are a fool to think American’s will not resist obama’s government or power that throws away the Constitution and Bill of Rights. You assume that folks are cowards and not willing to die for what they believe in. We are not talking one or 2 here or there that own assault rifles and thousands or rounds of ammunition. Have you heard of the lines at the gun shows lately. Have you tried to purchase even 1 round or .223 or .556? Though I am an old guy with a couple of shotguns, there are millions who are arming themselves to the teeth. It would be a blood bath and a dark day in American history for anyone to try to disarm the nation by force.
This oath that we all took includes ” I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” The domestic part includes anyone who would destroy the Constitution.
This guy is an absolute moron I am sure this was the type of thinking of the British right before the revaluation. I would also have to say that his wet dream of the military being on the side of gov. is just that a WET DREAM. The military just like the civilian population would be split and fighting among the people with all that great weaponry on the side of there choosing. If my friend you think it is as black and white as you stated in your communist writings.You will be one of the first to be eating a hot lead sandwich in you ignorance! Don’t ever forget we are AMERICANS and when and if we do ever decide to fight your mighty war machines will be the first things in our hands. We live next to the bases that hold such equipment and like I said before, the military has taken an oath to defend the constitution there probably will not be much of a fight military VS civilian. It would be more like military and civilian VS federal employes like atf and homeland security. I sure hope it does not come to this but make no mistake the people will fight that is the reason of the second amendment.
Who wrote this foolish column? Gun owners in the US have a number great than the top ten armies in the world, this column is uninformed …
I agree. Resistance movements and guerrilla forces don’t just need soldiers willing to sacrifice themselves, they need an extremely secure and reliable information network which will come from everyday citizens continuing to parade as “sheeple”. Live to participate in the greater resistance and help in any way you can. You can provide food, medical care, shelter, and misinformation to occupying forces. Don’t sacrifice yourselves needlessly. Every loyalist will count. Semper Fi and carry on.
The guy who wrote this article is such a sad piece of existence I pitty his psyche. I would rather die then say the things he said. Fortunately smart gun owners won’t be “fighting on their doorsteps” as if they are trying to lose. If and when state/fed comes to take people’s firearms they will give up an old hunting rifle or two… maybe a shotgun or an old revolver and say that’s all I have. But what they hide buried in their backyard is a different story… months later when all of their firearms get unearthed at the same time and people take to the streets and hills in an “organized” guerrilla fashion… that is how corrupt governments are overthrown. Let leftists illuminate all of the ways patriots can fail against tyrannical governments. In the end as proud free Americans it is in our blood to find the ways in which we can succeed and will should the time come. Only 4% of the citizenry ever takes up arms in most civil conflict anyway… the type of people posting these articles will be in refugee camps or slaving for the new world order trying to crush the resistence.
Fuck you!! Whor are yout think we can’t stand up to the government. It’s only a matter of time before the government itself falls apart. IDIOT!!
If the Jewish people would have shot one Nazi that came to the door to take them away after a few hundred thousand Nazi’s died (with probably x5 Jewish folks) the Nazi’s would have stopped). There are millions more people here that can just stay indoors and wait until the government folks come walking up to the door, pop, one or two down. After a few million casualties there won’t be any more military or law enforcement…
Jim Karger is is apparently among those who have been so thoroughly conditioned that the very thought of self-defense is alien, repugnant, and perhaps impossible. How could it be otherwise? By now generations have been taught that to physically resist an attack by a school yard bully is to earn a suspension. “No tolerance” policies make no distinction between aggressor and victim. Self-defense requires the use of force and that is not to be allowed. Toy guns—even pictures of guns—are forbidden by imbecilic administrators and school boards across the country. “Dodge ball” is banned because it encourages aggressive behavior. He is one of those who genuinely does not understand that Liberal calls for public disarmament are seen by the millions of Americans who own firearms and are proficient in their use as deliberate efforts to place their families in harm’s way. The Welfare State’s schools have done their job well. The article is, none-the-less, completely wrong.
In the wake of Sandy Hook, Obama, his posse, and the establishment news media launched a coordinated blizzard of misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies to exploit the shock and horror generated by the slaughter in an attempt to ram through national gun control legislation. That non-stop 24/7 effort just may be the greatest public relations miscalculation in political history. The American people’s riposte was a stunning act of immediate and unremitting defiance. They queued up for hours to buy virtually every firearm of any type that could be found available for sale in the United States (plus all available ammunition stocks) and placed additional firearms and ammunition orders amounting to a year’s worth of manufacturing output!
Any attempt to disarm the public will result in civil war.
Agreed. I’ve debated this with family members and pointed out the following: The US military has approximately 3 million members (active & reserve) which is approximately 1% of the US population. But at least 10% of the civilian population is armed. So even if every member of the US armed forces agreed to disarm their fellow citizens, family and friends (which I doubt) they would be outnumbered by 10 to 1. No amount of military hardware and technology could overcome such odds particularly when a majority of the men and women in the armed forces are gun owners themselves. There would mass defections to the civilian-side and a genuine civil war would ensue.
Noble thought, my friend but you forget that they just might decide to go and check your yard for buried weapons. There are foreigners being trained to come here and deal with us since it may be difficult for Americans to betray their own. There are shows that sheepishly “tell all” about there disaster preparations, their underground survival bunkers there buried arsenals. Do you think by the time they decide to call for surrender of arms they won’t be bulked up to out number US 10 to 1? Do you think that the government isn’t watching what is on T.V. and what we are talking about right now? They WILL know to look in your yard and other places for that matter.
There is nothing we can do now, but choose our relationship with G-d. Because those of us who do not follow this transforming government into totalitarianism, we will die we will be herded like cattle, like the holocaust into prison camps and if we do not pledge allegiance and allow them to invade our body mind and soul. we die right there. So, you can choose to believe there is no G-d and think you melt away into non existence or you will be judged in the next existence. There is nothing we can do, they will take ALL of our weapons they CAN seize our land our homes and our food supplies if deemed necessary. G-d is all we have and we must be ready to die for him because there will be no freedom left to die for.
In Colorado, rumors of Russian troops practicing to deal with terrorist raids and martial law scenarios have been proven correct by our US Armed Forces. Back in April 2012, Commander Wendy L. Snyder, U.S. Defense Press Officer, stated that “The Russian soldiers are here as invited guests of the U.S. government; this is part of a formal bilateral exchange program between the U.S. and Russia that seeks to develop transparency and promote defense reform.”
Both Russian and American airborne troops held training exercises that included tactical landing operations with specialized focus on “parachuting, operation planning, reconnaissance, assault operations and evacuations by helicopter.”
Back in May of 2012, mainstream media reported that Russian army paratroopers were in Colorado training with the 10th US Special Forces Group at Fort Carson in Colorado Springs, Colorado. This collaboration was agreed upon more than a year ago with the purpose of joining forces in “humanitarian operations such as anti-terrorism measures and disaster relief.” DOOOON’T YOUUUU BELIEVE ITTTTTT!
20 years ago a man from the cia who kept in close connection with progress of things predicted, told us about alll of this. Everything that is happening now he spoke of it step by step. He warned us about the micro chip how it was going to be made what info would be on it how it would maintain function with lithium, how upc codes paved the way to the ability to do all of this, how martial law will be put in place, how much power FEMA really has.
I know you will heckle me for this but it is true. it is predicted that G-d wil send a strong delusion over the people who will not choose Him to send them to their fate. So keep your eyes closed if you choose and by all means DO keep stocking your weaponry as much as you can( I am) but be more discerning about where to put it( NOT the obvious place..back yard, floor of basement, behind insulation in walls and attic They will have detectors lol )and stop these survivalist idiots from going on TV and spoiling all our secrets, HOWEVER please keep G-d in mind before the beast takes you down and it will. The fellow that posted this article will not be in a camp he will either give in or if he is a G-d fearing man he will accept death.
They came and took firearms in New Orleans FEMA cut commun. and barricaded exit from the city. The oath keepers pledge they will not do all the things I just warned you about, but frankly, I don’t believe it. I feel it is a tactic to relax us. Other than that remember what I told you about foreigners being trained they will NOT be oath keepers.
Piece be with you and peace be with you
Been there, done that. Have you? I suggest you be silent and hope that no one notices you.
Written from the perspective formed as a result of five years active duty with the 7th Infantry Division, the 1st Cavalry Division, and the XVIII Airborne Corps.
Every member of the military is obliged NOT to obey unlawful orders, regardless of who issues them. See Nuremberg trials.
Tell it to the Taliban.
Slugs will be slugs. Free men will be free men. When war comes, it will not be the people facing armed formations. It will be an asymmetrical war aimed at the leaders, not the military formations they may be able to form
You are projecting your cowardice on others, a grave mistake.
You are an incredible dolt, as arrogant as your are stupid. States, whether red of blue, do not have IQs. I will wager that the slugs who elected (and re-elected Obama) have average IQs that are 20 points lower than those who voted against him.
I’m betting there is NOTHING you’d be willing to die for, slug.
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oh sorry let me explain the comment to you.. PEOPLE IQ’s in RED states are lower the people in Blue states…meaning Conservatives are dumber than liberals .. based on the fact I had to explain my comment to you suggests you live in a red state.
the problem with a civil war or revolution today is who would lead? In the civil war they had a president, a general and a army. Now i understand that a formal army today wouldn’t work because they would go head to head with the strongest (and most bankrupt) military the world has ever known. but without organization/leadership (why do you think they have all the phones buged, emails recorded, to find leaders) how would any gorilla resistance work long term? We the People would need a form of leadership. My advice is to see if your state has a local militia, if not START one!!! and make sure it is organized well supplied, and ready, understand the chain of command, and underswtand the core values (it’s not about killing people, its about defense of justice and freedom). It may be that we never need to use it, but i would rather have a organized militia and not need it, then need it (because of an oppressive tyrannical government) and not have it.
Hey, Jim. Just because you and your liberal scum friends act and think in the way that cowards do, don’t go assuming that everyone else is a coward, too. And what makes you think that the U.S. military, who swore to protect the U.S. Constitution will even be on Obama’s side? Have you ever thought of that?
I think you’re lying to us. You have never ever put on a military uniform in your entire life. Oh, ROTC don’t count. Oh, and our God given right to protect ourselves is stated in the Holy Bible. If you don’t agree with our bible, too bad. It’s doesn’t matter what you think!
you can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.
nice fear mongering… but i guess i should’ve checked the name of the site before i started reading the copy. and exactly when are they taking our guns again?
how many times can you people make these large pronouncements that never occur and still have that soapbox to stand on. remind me again when the health care armaggedon comes…
ya cowards quit speaking b/c you all are confusing the people… and people from other countrys ya dont belong in this conversation ya failed your selfs we havn’t the gov’t fears our determanation and strength that america has, people that are scared or confused its okay some will have the courage and others wont because they dont want to fight there scared of dieing il tell you know its guna happen why not fight for what you believe in why not for freedom, america is the only country that symbolize freedom thats why immagrants come searching for a better life god is our savior if we believe in him we will triumph all you believers and fighters fight in what you believe
You pathetic little twit. When last tested, my IQ was north of 160. What is yours?
Your wrong! True Americans understand what freedom is and how many ended up dead in a pool of their own blood to defend it. Americans have the right to stand up to tyranny and die in fighting for freedom. The key is to make sure that many suffer the same fate, so much so that others join in the fight. When blood is spilt a family suffers. Hatred will bld for the state and many will go underground and fight as guerillas. The more wh die, the more who wil fight for the cause. I believe thereare millions of true Americans who will not hand their guns or their freedom over to the state without a fight. This is not about guns, it is bout fighting for freedom and against tyranny. Obama is a communist! He hates this country and he is in the process of destroying this great nation. He took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and then ent out and hired a devout communist to be the Green Czar. Van Jones stated he was going to use global warming to destroy our country, he then stated we didn’t have debt problem.Obama is mirroring Van Jones sentiments. Obama needs to be impeaced and now.
You really believe that? The french were a day late and a dollar short. The french contribution was money, and they went backrupt helping us fight the British. However, they didn’t contribute because they loved Americans, they contributed because they hated the British. The French today are closer to communisim then socialism.
God Bless you and all those who will not go peacefully into the night.
I don’t think Canada wants a communist neighbor? They need a strong United States. It would be in Canada’s best interest to have a free neighbor living next door, or they are next.
“But when a long train of abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right , it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.”
May all true Americans take these words to heart and be prepared to cast off all those who wish to impose tyranny upon its own people.
Remember, when Hitler took over he did not trust the brown shirts, so he created the SS. He did this because he knew the SS would be loyal. Obama once said he require a civilian Army that would be as well equiped as our own military. It will be these folks who attack, not our regular army. I just hope we are ready, and we are willing to give up our lives to protect the Constitution of the United States.
Have you forgotten Vietnam? We couldn’t tell who was the enemy and who was friendly. Americans died and died at the the hands of women and children. Americans very rarely ever witnessed who killed them. The enemy was like a ghost. They simply blended in and set booby traps everywhere. Americans were wounded on a daily basis. 11,000,000 were slaughtered in the concentration camps without a single prisoner exacting revenge. We can sit and be slaughtered or you can make sure you take one with you. There is nothing wrong with dying, just make sure you die a good death. In Vietnam, many vietnamese died, but they always found a way to make sure they took an American with them. Soon, Americans would go out on patrol and find a safe place to sit, calling in false sitreps.
LOL you are smart, but like I said it is statistics.. so calling me names isn’t going to change the numbers..
americans do not care about the affairs of the united states such as what is government doing they are to busy keeping their jobs, i will tell you what the police are doing and have been doing for the last 10 years — are militerizing themselves to better control the people and when federal government calls with orders for the the police to round up all guns from the people ,i can tell you the police will be like good little puppets and do what they are told to do, no matter what they are told to do because they are treated like dogs ( be a good boy and do what you are told and get a reward ) and that goes for the military government puppets also… “so tell me how are you going to control the government” good luck cause they are well prepared to disarm the public – all of you with their billions of dollars of advanced weapons, they are just waiting for the right time to recall all of your weapons such as these school shooting etc
I would just like to point out that the men that fought at Lexington and Concord where minutemen and local militia. Which “where” our military of the day,that doesn’t exist anymore! I think the point being made here is of course you can fight the Fed…..if you wanna die while inflicting very little damage to your opposers !
I think if the government made a law and civilians came running at the soldiers with their weapons ….they get their butts shot deader than a door-nail While a soldier’s opinion may not coincide with the orders of the day. He will do what he must to keep himself and his brother’s and sisters alive firstly and do his job secondly! Regardless of his opinion,some will desert but most will man their posts!
And yet with a quarter of their man power they manage to take over entire countries with equal size Armies, Air Forces and Naval power as what we where using at the time. Have you ever watched 50 cops quell a riot of hundreds??? Hundreds of times!!! Don’t fool yourself into complacency!
fuck who wrote this anti american bullshit because without the 2nd amendment there is no bill of rights or constitution
What makes this guy think every cop and military personal will comply with orders to destroy or hurt their families and hometowns. There would be people working with the citizens on the inside of the government. This country was showed almost 250 years ago that its citizens can and will stop tyranny because the American people believe in their freedom and every citizen has the right to protect it not just government and as an American and a veteran of the armed forces I believe in this.
if you think that when and if they have to send the police and army in to take your guns from you that they will not shoot you dead your crazy i was in the army they never say why we do just for us to do yeah sure some guys will not but after they see what happens to the first guys that will end quick failing to follow a order in times of war is life .
Die for nothing?? I think its called freedom. Besides, our military and police will not attack their own… When it comes down to it… They know who the snakes are in this country.
you assume all military people will obey orders to kill innocent fellow Americans for standing by the Consitution. I doubt that. In fact, I think the civil war proves many wont.
wrong, just not willing to die for your agenda , I am American too, doesn’t that give me the right to my own opinions and decisions ? what the Constitution say about that?
Ask the Viet Cong about how to fight the US military They did and won against all the high tech the Americans could come up with. Some people would rather die then give up their rights
that’s why there is a United States of America .
I would rather die than comply.
I do not expect to survive.
Your quite off kilter if you think our servicemen will invade their own country. Read a little into the blue hats… And possibly the motto “Semper Fi” order of 3. God. Country. Corps.
. Only 3 percent actually fought the American revolution.
If only 1% of 100,000,000 gun owners fight (it will likely be more) that is 1 million freedom loving Americans. More then all the available combat troops we have in the entire military.
The most well armed well trained most resourceful guerilla army in history of the world is in America. This won’t be peasants in robes with AK’s. Many of them veterans with the same or better training as those whom they would be fighting. And full machine shops in thier garages to make just about anything. Guerilla tactics are hit and run never going toe to toe with a superior foe. Lots of folks successfully track stalk and hunt deer and elk every year I am sure that can easily be adapted to other things.
Hitler didn’t take over. The Nazi Party was elected by the people. Though I’m sure quite a few were regretful of their decision.
The author of this article is a pathetic disgrace. Of course there is a 99% chance that resisting would lead to certain death. However, it would never be “for nothing”. I would rather die free than live on my knees like a statist bitch. Perhaps the “neo-cons” who are afraid to lay down their lives for freedom are just as weak as the author.
Indeed. Liberals know nothing of the survival of a nation. They enjoy the freedom to show their vacuity paid for in blood though. they view life through a pin hole.
“A lawyer living in Mexico who would turn over a kitchen knife at the drop of the hat will now do some extreme projection upon an entire country” Should have been the title. There is no fight for you because you’ve already been defeated yourself.
Jesus Christ, people – no one is taking any guns! Get over yourselves.
The protocols of the Elders of Zion in action.. Does anyone remember the Jewish led Bolshevik revolution ? They disarmed the population then set about murdering 40.000.000 real Russians.. How many Americans will be murdered when Feinstein and Lieberman come for your Guns ??
Your countrymen will turn their Guns on you if it meant getting a decent meal.. Look at past history and the number of times Hunger has been used as a Weapon,, The Boer War, The Bolshevik Revolution to name two.. There are thousands who under the right influence and propaganda WILL turn their Guns on you.. There are many eager recruits on the Mexico border, Detroit and every down trodden neighborhood in every major city across the USA.. The old saying “Keep em poor and ready for War!” The only people who can prevent the madness are the Generals.. Do you know one who is prepared to defy his commander in chief ??
If I am labeled an outlaw for remaining a patriot, I will gladly accept the title of both!
Navy is never irrelevant. Yes, wars are won on the ground. You can’t capture an enemy leader from the air, or from the sea, nor can you overtake a building but by ground forces. However, supply lines by water (or the lack of) are, and historically always have been, a overwhelmingly deciding factor.
Yep, how well has all that HARDWARE worked out for us in Iraq, afghanistan, vietnam, somalia ….?Nope Jim Karger, you vastly underestimate the resolve of an oppressed ,determined populace.Of course many will die, but hopefully they’ll just keep on coming.
not to mention, that a great deal of military are sworn to uphold THE CONSTITUTION, not the orders of politicians.When I was a marine I doubt that i’d have obeyed an unlawful order to kill American civilians on the orders of the higher ups. I believe IF the USG try’s to Abolish the Constitution, they have lost my allegiance. In fact, that alone would proof to many of the need to rebel.
All comments are valuable and educational. However, the fight against the traitorous government is secondary to the real threats. Bubba, Joe Blow, Carlos, Ming Tong and Raheem are going to be far greater threats than the government when the SHTF. Prepare for them.
When it comes, it will not be a clear as it is today. There will be some sort of crisis used as an excuse; just like when they made guns illegal in New Orleans during Katrina. It may be a financial meltdown, or a CME, or a comet or an asteroid or a nuclear explosion. Look at all the liberties that were taken away with 9-11. It will be much, much, worse.
Keep in mind that A. Almost everyone in the military supports private ownership of weapons and B. We all took an oath to each one of our G-ds when we joined that we would protect the constitution of the United States of America with our lives if need be. Believe me when I say there will be a strong force when that day comes but it wnt b to hurt the people. I cant speak for other agencies of the govt. Or even the officer who recieved a liberal education before joining the military but i do know you will have many men on this side who will refuse to come and take your guns if we are ordered to do so. This is a very real thing we have discussed because we like you fear this as well.
I’m not a Neocon. I’m as conservative as they come and I would prefer not fight, but some things are worth fighting for. I let Bush take the 4th Amendment and I am not going to make that mistake again with the 2nd. I’ve watched the US military lose wars in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. With all due respect, Mr. Karger, I like my chances.
No, Tom, it’s best you just give up. I don’t believe that the military will fight the US people. I believe law enforcement will eventually wake up as well. If they don’t, as long as command is in Washington, I like the people’s chances. Washington couldn’t beat the Vietcong, the Taliban, the Mujahideen in spite of having the greatest fighting force in the world. If anyone should be worried, it should be the elites. The people are going to be just fine, and no, we’re not going to cower in fear with you, pard.
The realistic problem with this argument is two-fold… First, When those nice lads right out of basic training are given the order on the firing line to fire into the crowd, Most will think twice, but some will do it… And it only takes one, then the group will have no choice but to follow suite as it would be come a fight or flight scenario then. Second, If things get that bad, the majority of those that are still getting a paycheck (Military, LEO, Gov. Workers) will do whatever they are told and throw morality, freedom, and Patriotism to the wind without a second though when it comes to choosing between feeding their family or taking the moral high ground This is that good old human greed thats built into the majority of people. Now, hopefully those that would object, would be smart, and do so quietly until a time presents itself to act… but then again….lets face it…If / when we lose our rights it will be many many hundreds of years before we can even attempt to get it back… we are in the drone era, and nothing is safe anymore. Dont think so? look at this then argue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU Bottomline: those who control the weapons, control the country. We simply become slave labor at that point.
This is true, but the problem with this is, that those that are armed and have the means and more importantly the will to bring force are geographically sparsed. In order to form an effective fighting force, they would need to coordinate prior to any event in order to be able to group and bring force to bear. This just isnt possible anymore. The world we live in right now is so locked down its not even funny, and we don’t even realize it! Try going down the highway in your local city without hitting a street cam .. If something were to pop off, the government would mobilize too quickly to act and marching orders would dictate a cordon procedure with checkpoints galore. Any massing of people not wearing the government suite and wielding weapons, would be put down promptly… This is a painful reality…
Sounds good on paper, but I would love to see how many actually follow the code, when the full berg comes down with the orders…
you underestimate Patriots. There will be no compliance.
It’s worth noting that there is a gun for every man woman and child in America. 65 million background checks for gun sales were done during Obama’s first term. The American people are more powerful than the government when it comes to physical force. Where the government has an advantage is in organization. Although the armed people outnumber the government forces by about 100 to one, the government has the ability to group up their forces and outnumber the people in specific battles. For example if 10 guys in masks come to your door to take your guns, of course you are going to let them take them. You are outnumbered and out gunned.
The key question is, what happens next? Do you just go inside, eat bread and watch circus on TV; or do you wire up your car with a loud speaker and go driving around your neighborhood shouting, “THE BRITISH ARE COMING, THE BRITISH ARE COMING!!!” Moreover, before the come door to door looking for your guns, they will first have to initiate an opportunity for you to submit and turn in your guns before they actually point one at you. This will not go over in America as it did in other countries. This will be the signal to Americans to organize.
We have a test of this coming to New York soon. Many are saying that they will not comply. I’m sure many will comply but think of this. During the revolution something like 9% of the people stood up. Today, if 9% of just the gun owners stood up, we would outnumber the military by 3 to 1. If those gun owners handed one of their many firearms to 2 other people, we would outnumber the entire military, police, and DHS force, probably by a similar number.
When it comes to “cold dead hands” meme, there was a meme that went around YouTube over the 2012 summer, where all the gun shows advocated the “British are coming” tactic. The fact is, if enough people simply decide not to comply with the initial stage of the gun seizure–submission, the government will know it lost and will not even come door to door.
It would be fare more productive to the cause of freedom to tell people that when organized, they are powerful, than to tell them they are weak because they are not organized.
There is no constitutional government. We lost that a long time ago.
It’s a lot more than 10%. It’s more like 33%
That’s because the crowd has not made up their mind to revolt yet. If the people decided to fight, the cops know they have lost.
Studies show that 65% of people will follow the order to kill from a person of authority but that still leaves 35% who won’t–not to mention conflicting authority. Despite what people say, it’s really hard to tell what will happen from where we stand now. The only way to know is for the order to be given. I know in New Orleans, the government put together enough of a force to seize a lot of weapons from those who needed them most. People say “never again” but I don’t buy that.
As a current active duty Marine rifleman and speaking for every other Marine I know (had multiply discussions about this). If leadership told us to gear up and go out in town, door to door and force people to give up their weapons! No way, man. First off morally, we will not attack the PEOPLE we solemnly swore to protect. Our friends, family and fellow countrymen. Secondly, no way in hell we’re gonna clear millions of houses, each time potentially losing 3/4 of a fire team per residence (which are the statistics we’re always taught of casualties from urban house clearing) Third thing.. All that “military technology” you’re bringing up doesn’t apply. Helicopters can’t spot citizens with guns. You can’t just start dropping satellite guided missiles on potential American homes. Airstrikes are out of the question. If we can’t control a country like Afghanistan, what in your right mind thinks the government has the ability to take every American gun or force them to do so? If you actually think about it, believe it or not, Americans are the government. And almost all cops/military are serious gun owners with a belief in personal freedom and a right to bear arms. So let’s not be silly there Mr. Karger, guns are staying in the hands of the American people. Because American people serve this country and protect this country for the people.. Not the GOVERNMENT. Have a nice day Jim. Cpl. Wilson 1st Battalion 2nd Marines
Turn over our guns? Don’t. Be. So. Sure.
33%?/ R U Joking? more like 90% have some kind of self defense weaponry. Beware the man that only has one gun. And those ninjas with swords.. yikes!
We’ve recently seen what one man (highly trained, for sure) can do. Millions of dollars of resources spent. Whole of Southern California law enforcement on high alert, so nervous they start shooting newspaper delivery ladies. Took out several cops (not that I think he was right to do so, but he did do it), and could have done more damage if he was willing to kill people he saw as innocent. One guy.
Now, multiply that by thousands. 10s of thousands. Perhaps even more? Consider that many people would actively help them instead of turning them in. Consider than many law enforcement officers and military would be sympathetic to their cause. Let’s all hope this never comes to pass.
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Just like the old days one little two little Indians,,, that’s all it takes,,,, Fighting in a war is not like you see on TV. where you all line up and shot each other till one is standing…. re ban fighting is from street to street building to building….There are to many Americans that own guns for that to ever work for any arm to over take our country, The only way a Government could do this is by Disarming the people first.
The minute a stray bullet hits a family member – the military will begin defecting. It is one of the primary issues in militant activity and one of the reasons the US military has worked so hard to avoid killing citizens. Those were citizens in another country.. what happens when our headlines begin to show the bloodshed our own government would impose on fellow citizens?
Dissention is only a matter of time and a stray bullet away.. Anyone remember Rodney King? That was just one man being beat.. imagine what it will look like when we see military killing civilians?
If the gov’t came for my guns you better believe that I would give them what they asked for. Sure, it may only be three or four guns to make them happy but the other nine or ten that I keep will be to protect myself when the revolutionary war of 2013/2014 took place. All I know is that the day they come for my remaining guns will be a bloody day…….for them!
And if they take your guns without resistance, they will – what – turn into Scouts and Guides. We all must die someday – like a man or a sheep – is a private decision.
I’d rather lay in a pool of my own blood than kneel before a tyrannical government while they destroy my rights.”give me liberty or give me death” just remember all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
In times like these I’m glad I live in Louisiana because your state may not have enough people that are willing to fight but mine has plenty. Also we have the strongest pro gun laws in the country. So if your state doesn’t have the balls to defend their rights the come to Louisiana we do.
Better to die as free men than live as slaves, Mr. Karger.
Our military will not turn its guns on the citizens. Our military is sworn to defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic, and, unlike politicians, the military takes honor seriously.
Yep! Will defend the Constitution, and the current clod is not my president.
The truth of the matter is a good portion of the men in uniform would not attack the citizens of the US at Obama’s request. More likely it would be a battle of the military against the military. Many police officers even in military garb would not go around taking guns from their friends and families. A large portion of the military votes republican.
The Marines will not be called on.. You should study the Bolshevik revolution to understand how they will disarm America.. The Commissars disarmed the Army returning from the front and their own private Army round up all the Guns from normal Russians .. By the time they finished 66.000.000 Russians died from Execution, Hunger and Torture..
You are thinking Breed’s Hill. You should be thinking Trenton. But I agree that it would be bloody and full of dead Americans. Do you think U.S. Marines will actually do this for long? I don’t know but hope not.
Well said. I won’t. But neither will I try to match their firepower. There are other ways.
Canada is already socialist. Communism is next.
Don’t worry.. We’ll blow ourselves up before that happens…
When considering resisting our government, keep in mind that it’s not the men or vehicles on the ground that are so much the problem, but it’s the drones and military satellites in the sky. Civilians are not trained properly, nor do they have the financial, psychological, or tactical advantages on their side to resist. It would be like sheeple to the slaughter and any prepper that thinks he’s just going to live in the woods and not be seen by our state’s eye in the sky is retarded.
I always tell my friends that we dont need Machine guns. There will be plenty laying on the grounds when we Snipe Enemies from 300 yards away. Houston is Populated with more men than there are Soldiers in ft hood. People seem to think that Guns are the only thing that will be used. Not Bombs, Propane Tanks, Gas Trucks, Booby Traps, IEDs etc. Once a few numbers of citizens get ahold of the Goodies the Army totes arounds, things will change. To also note, the Military might have a few hundread soldiers who will not take part in this coupe. Texas is to big to take over and with Law Enforcement, we might be ok. But if this line is crossed, the Democratic Party will no longer exist for the life of America.
Also another fact, there are more guns in the Southern States than there are in the North. People who dont understand why people will die for this right are sheep. We will calmly hand you are weapons as you smash down my door. I will always be ready for this. I dont trust cops and if I see a uniformed soldier with a M-4 bashing on my door, there will be a stand off. I die so what. If you dont get that, then your already lost.
Yeah the reason being those rioters tend to be peaceful and NOT ARMED. Give every one of those 300 rioters an Ak-47, cops would flee.
Here is a much better article with an upbeat conclusion:
This article sounds of if it was written by a Nazi. I hope that their is still true patriots in this country but with every citizen sounding like this, I doubt it.
I have took the time to read most of this and The future will be in the hands of the brave that stand against the government till the end. because in the end the government will fold under it own weight it will not be able to support the troops and only food will be invaluable the equipment will not run long and supply lines wont last as long as you think. Government will have to move fast and it will be apparent what is happening. The slow creep that is taking place NOW is real and all should take notice!!! So prepare learn to farm and live off the land your I phone and or pad will be of no use, the time is coming… I pray that my kids and grand kids don’t have to live thought this …
Well, you may be right. It does appear that the US government is cracking down on gun owners who are guilty of hiding several under the floorboards, especially when someone is hoarding them in large numbers. All I see is the person’s surprised, stupid face as they’re being thrown in prison and next to their photo is a photo of their confiscated gun stash. The authorities appear to never actually request that the guns be handed over, they just bust the person’s door down and TAKE THEM…strange, huh? If there was actually ANY FORM OF ORGANIZATION against this sort of government crack-down, then I might believe individual gun owners have a chance. But. There. Isn’t. And. They. Don’t. The author of this article skedaddled, and for good reason.
Suicide one way or the other. After they seize the guns, the systematic slaughter of citizens will commence. Maybe not immediately, but not too long after the gun confiscation. History proves this over and over.
Better to die in your street defending your family than for you to be hauled off to the slaughter fields.
I also take issue with just how many service members would be willing to carry out orders against their own countrymen, especially considering their Oath to Defend the Constitution. Some would carry out those orders, I believe most others would revolt against it.
I remember a quote from Thomas Jefferson…”When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.” I, for one, as a retired U. S. Marine Corps Veteran, will die fighting on my two boot covered feet before I will live on my knees under tyranny and oppression. The part I still cannot wrap my common sense brain around is how the American people were fooled into electing him to a second term….You all should check out the following website: http://www.oathkeepers.org There will come a time when the second American Revolutionary War wijll come to pass. The only difference is that the enemy this time will not be foreign, but Domestic. The Oath of Enlistment I took in 1986 did not end in 2008 when I retired at 22 years of service, nor in 2016 when I am transferred from the Fleet Marine Corps Reserve (FMCR) list to the fully retired list. Rather, it will end when I die either peacefully, or, it is appearing more likely, fighting the domestic enemy of the oppressive government led by the current Fuhrer “in control” of “fundamentally changing” our country. Our founding fathers are not rolling in their graves. Rather, they are scratching and clawing with their bony skeletal digits to remove their coffin lids and come back and lead the course correction for this great Republic that has not yet been made since no one in power seems to remember that this country is “OF the People, BY the People, and FOR the People”….I would also like to remind you it was regular citizens who picked up weapons and joined the different militias which eventually sent the British redcoats packing back across the Atlantic Ocean with their proverbial tails between their legs.
So Mr. Karger believes all those all those honorable who have served let us say just in the last ten years will just lay down their liberties and calmly walk to the nearest FEMA Camp? I assure you just the internal strife within the Pentagon itself if this were to take place would ignite a uncontrollable resistance. Then you have those states say like Texas whom even the Russian Generals publicly note would have series disgust over such a idea. No, if this where to take place it would be grievous but just lay them down, not likely !!!!
I’ve heard from a few religious individuals that the bible teaches that
we are to obey the law of man as well as the law of god. So if they
outlaw guns they will follow gods law and obey the law of man by turning
over their guns. Funny. By that logic you have to wonder what the hell
Moses was doing standing up to Pharaoh? “Let My People Go!”
Your Bill Of Rights have been overruled people. Rules have been made to be changed weather you like it or not. And if the soldiers don’t tell me you will be willing to die and your family for a dam gun. If you do, you are crazy as hell. It is not going to happen so all you people that are dying to kill someone relax, go to the range and go bang, bang, boom, boom what ever makes you happy. And so you do know I am a Vietnam Vet. and have a C.P.L to carry and I do all the time. Just seems like people here just like hearing there selves complain about every thing. If you can’t deal with a limit on cartridge amounts, and back ground checks it is comming so deal with it.
They’re too smart to “do away” with the Constitution. They simply redefine terms and claim it as their own . . . and a dumbed down electorate doesn’t know the difference.
Will you shoot your family when ordered to?
i choose to fight
freedom was paid for with blood
If it’s me alone, I will most certainly die. However, I stand a better chance along side the “sixty million” other angry, freedom loving Americans. That number could very well be over 100,000,000.
Well my friend, lick the hand of your master, bend you knee, and become a slave. If you value your hide more than your liberty the who is the greater fool? You who have used this country’s freedoms to make yourself rich now cast a disparaging eye on those of us who insist on keeping themselves free? Honestly we don’t need your kind here, please leave and go habitate England or Germany or any other socialist hell hole, they could always use a few more serfs. I personally do not fear death, my eternal fate does not lie in the hands of government. As an 8 year veteran I know what war is, apparently you sir do not and stink of cowardice. Begone!
The insurgents in Iraq sure gave those same marines a hard time…and they are significantly outnumbered by American gun owners…and furthermore, those marines, unlike our politicians, take their oath to protect and defend the Constitution seriously…and that means protecting the United States from enemies foreign and domestic…and a lot of those enemies of the Constitution are currently in Washington DC. Hopefully after a few more elections we can start voting the bums out…but if it comes to bullets flying, the majority of those marines will be on the right side of things…
You really must not understand how our military and police are trained lol They are heavily armed but not trained enough for Urban warfare. If people start resisting and fighting back then it will spread like a contagious virus and people with follow all over the country and be offing police in record numbers and being killed themselves in the process. The police ran in fear from the Rodney King riots and you really think they could handle the whole US population rioting. Also why would they want to, Almost everyone has family that are military or police officers, I highly doubt they would disarm their own people. Look at what happened in colorado, the sheriffs department refused to disarm any citizens no matter what laws against the second ammendment were passed. That’s due in part to them being afraid of getting blown away by heavily armed citizens. Do you think the police and military are stupid and have a death wish and are ready to die? I think not, they will die for the right cause but not one that involves killing innocent americans for wanting to have the means to protect their families.
You are absolutely right on with “the crowd has not made up their mind.” If the government wins the ideology battle and the mass of the citizenry cows to their bullying, we are lost. If, however, the mindset of the US population changes to one that rejects statist tyranny, they (cops/military/government) do not stand a chance.
The military couldn’t even hold Baghdad with their weapons you schmuck, and if you think that going along with this is going to save you, it won’t , you aren’t on their team pal, you’re not on the inside, they will do to you anyway what they do to the people that refuse to disarm, only your death will be a slow and painful one. you might be surprised how many cops and military do not go along with this
and remember that if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns
Um… Mr. Karger, you may have forgotten something. Some of US have also been in the military before too. That is why they (govt.) are so terrified of veterans and want to label them as PTSD and deny them of their guns FIRST. Besides, as much as I admire the “devil dogs”, the US. military couldn’t even hold down Baghdad without having to “buy them off”- even with all of these taxpayer funded toys like drones, stealth etc. Afghanistan still seems to be unconqured to this day. Truth is, you can never underestimate an organized, determined people who will not take corrupt government bullying anymore.
I have been to Vietnam twice. I was a Police officer for 20 years. I am sorry to inform you of your stupidity. I am one that believes in the Constitution, I no longer believe in the Government. They feel as if we work for them and not the way it was designed in the Constitution. The U. S. Government has bypassed the foundation of democracy [ie the
Patriot Act ] and feels that they can do as they wish. I am telling you that ex-military and
Law-enforcement officers are not going to give over their guns to anyone. If it means that
I have to lay down dead in the street, I will take that over living under this present form
or Government. Don’t believe me? Come try and get my guns from me now!!! Have you forgotten how this country was formed? I grant that this present form of Government is much like the One that we fled from England to avoid when my ancestors landed on Plymouth Rock.
But, believe me, if it [Govt] feels that they can take away my guns, someone is going to die!!!!
For people who actually think the majority of the military would not be on the people’s side, you are sadly mistaken and so is the government. The military men and women simply tolerate their bosses to keep their jobs just like any of us do on a daily basis even if we are unhappy with our bosses. That does NOT mean that when “stuff” hits the fan they will have any loyalty whatsoever to their bosses who have used them to profit and stuff their own pockets for years. I would argue quite the opposite actually and if I was the government I would think twice about pissing off the families of their own service members a day longer and think about all that pent up frustration they have accumulated over the years of following orders from corrupt pieces of trash. If the government wants to go to war with its own people 3/4ths of the manpower they think they have will turn against them during any civil war. 3/4ths of the highly trained trained killers that they created will be their own demise.
I think the author should ask his wife for a new pair of panties to wear .
Here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.
Read more: When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
They did very, very little for the cause. The left Rhode Island in a huff after one action and sailed off to the Caribbean, lock, stock, and barrel. The showed up at the end which may have discouraged a relief effort from NY.
If , as you say, they are attacked by a mob wielding weapons, the troops would indeed open up. But if approached by an orderly group of unarmed fellow Americans…That I believe would have a different outcome. I would stake my life on that.
When there is no Constitution there is no United States of America. And I’ll be dead.
They did and they gave in to intimidation and racism. They feared the bullies so much they allowed them to do whatever as long as they were left alone. Until it was their turn. Not going to happen that way here.
Like sources on that, France did help but they where not directly helping us in any way I remember reading.
Take over what? Iraq, Afghan if you call those wins they your delusional about what a winning is. We are not primitive farmers and a good lot of us are ex-mil kid. Why would I ever want to live under a dictatorship. Sheep like you sure I can see it, but not for a lot of us.
Cops do seem to like those who do not fight back don’t them or old ladies.
Ok then coward in your closet that will not mean other will. But don’t expect the ones who fight to come back and give you a free ride. Cowards need not get any special privilege in my book.
You make it sound like this is a video game where ex-mil run head long into battle, go back to your xbox. Anyone with even some basic understating of tactics and tenacity. Look its ok to be a sheeple its what you where born to be.
Well said. I think a lot here are xbox ninjas and don’t understand who things would play out. way to much sugared drinks and Battle Field.
Don’t be a dumb they are not Socialist China, stop watching Fox news for your news. Canada votes for its leaders just like us, and yes they do have one payer medical care which works dam good since I have had the previlage of using it when I have been up there. This does in no way mean they want anything like a police state USA.
Nice but I am not any more under the Military Code so I follow only the first part of it.
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same
If it was to come and a police state is what part or the whole of the US was going to become, then arms against what ever corrupt government I would do.
But don’t get me wrong I get that many here are sheeple, that they have been taught to fear everything and learnt helplessness is how they live their life. I do not fault you for that, but I will not care about you either if bad things where to happen, bacause your kind are just cannon fodder.
And when its over they will be working the fields because I personally have no respect for the sheeple they are the reason why society fail and have to deal with dictators.
Another retarded post with no thinking behind it.
Maybe I will call superman to help us.
Keep calling me a neo-con. I am 63 retired from more than 39 years of active military service and a lifelong conservative. Maybe you should call me a paleo-con.
I spent much of my career working with or training unconventional forces. The price will be high but freedom is worth it.
He is not factoring in one thing, American soldiers most likely will not shoot their parents, grandparents, etc…. It will be UN peacekeepers that shoot us. The guy writing this is a coward. I agree the odds are against success, but to me death is better than slavery. Blacks, of all people, should have learned this by now, don’t get on the boat, die at home.
I read this last year. You are still a coward.
Illiterate third world extremists were able to put up quite a fight using decades old weaponry and a little ingenuity. America has basements full of chemistry majors with too much time on their hands and pockets full of government cheese. I wonder if all of your assertions are correct?
I hate to admitt this but I do know you are correct, sadly many americans do not believe this can or will happen, and the others are so indoctrinated they have no clue. I have a terminal illness and never believed this would happen in my lifetime but now I am very aware it is not far enough away to miss it happening. I hold such fear for what will surely happen to my children and grandchildren.
Part of the problem with that is that so many do not have a clue, are mamby pambies who will not stand up for the constitution, our own laws, rights or each other. I hope when the time comes, as I am sure it will and not so far off either, that even these people will unite. I LOVE MY COUNTRY IT IS MY GOVERNMENT I FEAR
Two words: boating accident.
Another two: gurrilla warfare.
I don’t think you learned any lessons about insurgency from Iraq and Afghanistan.. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
If you think Americans will just turn over their guns when asked, well, I have a bridge to sell you..
Not to mention a lot in the military community would not abide to such unlawful and unconstitutional orders!
Do not quite agree with the premise here. If the state becomes so tyrannical that they will waste valuable resources to confiscate weapons, then they are facing at least one casualty for every 100-200 weapons confiscated if 1 per cent of the population resists. That means one million government casualties. Since cities cannot even control their own streets, what makes one think they will be able to successfully round up weapons with such facility? If you know the average police officer’s psychology, many tend to be fiercely independent type-A personalities. They are not young army recruits who are so susceptible to egregious orders from above; in fact, I would suspect in the event of a major gun round-up, higher ranking police officials would become the target of insurgents inside and outside their ranks
It’s either poor word choice or you’re oblivious to the value of freedoms that you would consider people who fight for them to die for nothing. Do you not know why soldiers fight? Do you not know that fighting can end badly? Do you not know that soldiers know this and choose to fight because it is a better life to live that you died trying to protect someone than knowingly surrendered them into the hands of the enemy? Do you know the difference between the easy way and the right way? Do you know that all over the world a home-made weapon can take out a group of soldiers? Have you not seen any of the multitude of news stories about soldiers being attack by civilians and being out-right killed? Do you really think that when people are pushed to the extreme they don’t really do whatever it takes to defeat someone who is bigger than them, stronger than them? Do you know that their actions aren’t the problem, but rather the reasons behind their actions? Likewise, a human fighting for a good cause may take the exact same actions at times and those actions are the exactly right thing to do, not because killing is okay or they are crazy, but because they are outnumbered, out-armed, and some one took away any other option they had? No? Well, now you do.
Maybe this guy is a lay down and let them make you a slave type, I’m not. I have no illusions about what will happen. I will not comply, most likely I will die. But I have made the choice. I will not be a slave to these bastards, no way no how.
Apparently it strikes Mr. Karger as a wonderful thing that the govt could run roughshod over the citizens at anytime it chooses. What asswipes like this guy doesn’t realize is if that day would ever come, they would not longer be needed.
If they come for your guns and you take some of them with you, all is not in vain.
Last time our government decided to take firearm rights away people stood up to them at Lexington and Concord, they did not back down. The revolutionary war ensued. Do not assume that it cannot happen. Only about a third of the population was for fighting those injustices then, that’s not far from the percentage of the population with similar strength feelings now. To organize and assemble simply requires the right aggressive pressures by the government.
If you are insinuating that the citizens of the United States could not win such a war…that’s absolutely false for a few reasons.
1) Never underestimate what large lightly armed guerrilla forces can do. The United States citizen population is SUPREMELY set up for guerrilla resistance, with an enormous amount of our population armed with rifles. There are literally millions of full power scoped rifles owned by skilled shooters, many of which can hit small targets at over half a mile away, alongside millions of AR-15 and AK-47 rifles in the nation right now. That alongside hundreds of thousands skilled and trained veterans and ex-police that can easily train others. There are more firearm owners in the United States than there are soldiers in all the countries of the entire world combined, and nearly 100x as many as there are US soldiers. It would not be 1 person per platoon of soldiers as the picture you paint, it would be 1 soldier per 2-4 platoons of citizens.
2) I know over 20 current and retired military members. NOT ONE of them would fight the US population, and ever single one has voiced to that they would not only not fight the US population, they would join them. The US military is on our side, as is most of the police forces of rural America. There may be a day, hundreds of years from now, where the US military has such a disconnect from the people they fight for that they may fight them. But that does not exist today in any way shape or form, and nobody that has any sort of intimate knowledge of our armed forces could rationally think otherwise: their opinion is as near to unanimous as can be given the size of the group of people.
The REAL barrier to an armed resistance in the US is only the mindset of the people: they have not been pushed to the point of large scale resistance right now. Right now only an extreme extreme minority are truly offended enough to pick up their rifles…but there are MILLIONS that are offended enough to have drawn a line that says “if you cross this line, then I’ll pick up my rifle”. Disarming all of America would cross all of those lines.
You underestimate an armed populace.
This scenario also fails to account for those military and police who would support the other side. And yes, they would exist.
Only after they became convinced we could win it by demonstrated victories.
They will win the initial conflict with their gun grab. Our entire US military couldn’t hold onto Iraq, though. I doubt they could hold onto America. A sharpened pencil to the eye will get you every firearm an illegal armed combatant has on them, military vehicles require constant supply and refueling, and a simple EMP bomb (you can make one from spare parts at Radio Shack) will destroy any technological advantage. Besides, true military men take an oath on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and a large percentage of any military (whether they are local police, state troopers or the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines) always joins the rebellion.
Of course, if they do grab all of the guns, they’ll grab the rest of your civil rights, too. And if you protest while they are jailing, beating and raping your wives and daughters, resistance will be futile. And where will that leave you, Mr. Karger, except face down in a pool of your own blood in the middle of the street, just another dead fool for resisting the State?
The Founding Fathers believed in the 2nd Amendment and defended it viciously, knowing it was the last thing stopping tyranny. We should remember this truth.
Yeah nobody thought that we could resist the superior British government back in revolutionary war but we did anyway and it can happen again. So boo on you Mr. John Karger ill be sure not to defend you when the gov finally decides to take over the country.
Everyone talks about how the military could never be used against us, and I agree.
But it doesn’t matter.
Did everyone forget that Obama authorized FOREIGN troops to enter our country to enforce THEIR laws? He doesn’t need our (outsourced, overseas) military…
They went bankrupt because of King Louis’ conquests and wars, his absolute monarchical rule, and the building of the palace at Versailles (at the cost of 2 billion dollars of today’s cash) where 10,000 people can comfortably live and also because of the rare metals found all over the complex. True, the American Revolution didn’t HELP their treasure troves any but they had already fought in the Seven Year War in the mid 1700s.
Last I read, the Founder’s days were pretty much on equal footing as regards the weaponry. On the ground it was rifle vs rifle. Of course there were the cannons and the ships from a distance that allowed a certain advantage, but for the most part it was much equal footing. Not so today. Anyone who has an AK15/AK47, and whatever other auto weapons? What is that compared to drones, helicopters with missiles, tanks, etc.? UNLESS we have Military go rogue and split from the dictated Government at the moment We the People are on our own. So, if I look at it from that perspective then I have to agree with Jim as to his analysis. We can postulate all those labeled PTSD troops that are written up as “mental” and not allowed any guns, are smarter than the average robot working for governments. There is ALWAYS the Rogue Han Solo and Hana Sola’s of every country. So, it ain’t over until it’s over.
Mr. Karger, what if the people (neo-cons, some of which are police, military, etc..) of whom you speak with so much disdain are deadly serious about giving their lives for what you define as a futile cause? And, I ask you, is fighting for freedoms that millions have died for really, as you define it, a futile cause to believe in? You have already chosen to be tyranny’s serf by attempting to convince the public at large that we are incapable of fighting and/or dieing for those things in which we believe in our core. You, sir, sound as if you are bucking for the position of the propaganda lap-dog for the Tyranny that is threatening the U.S. now, and the rest of the world later. Hitler wanted a free, united Germany, IN THE BEGINNING. Did the tyranny of a Megalomaniac end at the borders of Germany I ask you? How about Pol Pot and the killing fields of Cambodia? Why should we, human beings that is to say, allow history to repeat itself without trying to stop it? Make no mistake, we are not 1940’s Germany and will not stand for a hostile, unrepresented take-over of our nation. We (American Citizens) hate illegitimate authority more than we love our lives. It has always been so, simply ask England if you don’t believe me. Tough talking? At least it is more than you intend to do in your self-serving, government scripted diatribes. Don’t worry your little, misguided head. The name is not fake, because I am not the kind to hide my identity from any man. Much less a spineless coward, cut and run guy like yourself.
I think China or Russia would be willing to lend a Citizen army some assistance. Maybe even a full blown invasion. Good Times
I know they won’t come for just my guns. Remember Molotov and Kalashnikov like the Ukrainians have in recent days. Go long beer bottles, rags, gasoline, polystyrene and detergent. Read DOD Manual FM 3-24/3.24.2 “Counterinsurgency and Tactics” following Sun-Tze’s teachings to learn everything about your enemy and buy now El Che’s book “Guerilla Warfare” for guidance. War is terrible and violence should be avoided at all costs but to survive it if they come for your guns it will require your complete commitment, a hardened soul, constant learning and immediate adaptation.
I see. The solution is to move to Mexico. Duly noted.
Spoken like a true patriot…that ran away to Mexico…
Well, Jimbo, not long after the events you describe begin, those who send the confiscation crews will discover that their lives will have become “nasty, brutish and short.”
“You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day…”
Oh, really? Then tell me again why the Marines are still fighting goat-herders in Afghanistan after 11 years.
Then why are we still fighting in Afghanistan. Seems to me we should have walked over those guys.
One thing is absolutely clear as evidenced by the revolution in the Ukraine.. A bottle and a rag and a little petrol can really F up the big boy’s toys. Fire is a nasty SOB. In the Ukraine SWAT teams are surrendering, and those aren’t pissed off American patriots.
Want to use those “State of the art” weapons against us? OK..The moment that tanks and jet fighters attack US civilians, it’ll be broadcast across the planet in real time, and at that instant the United States isn’t the United States anymore. It’ll be the end of full faith and credit and respect in anything and everything related to the United States of America by both our allies and enemies. It’ll set chaos in motion to the point that the government will have it’s hands so full of problems that they’ll almost immediately seek to undo what they unraveled in the first place.
To start: the Oligarchs who declare what the US dollar is worth just because they say what the US dollar is worth won’t be able to control that anymore. Not when everywhere in America looks like Waco.
This nation, particularly the urban metro liberals who think the way this writer thinks, couldn’t endure thirty days without power and water and groceries and Venti lattes and CVS and Costco and Whole Foods and liquor and Netflix and having to go to a natural running stream to refill their bong water.
Either the author has not studied the history of civil wars or this is part and parcel of a psych warfare stategy.
Either way Mr. Karger, once it starts you don’t wait for the platoon of Marines to come to your house. You go find the people (and their Families) who send the Marines to the homes.
Clearly, the author has not been paying attention to what’s going on in the Ukraine or Venezuela and how the cops in both are pissing backwards and overwhelmed by mere kids with molotovs, rocks and bottles.
And besides, to a man, all of the military folks I work with would balk *hard* at these sort of actions against law-abiding fellow citizens and if pushed, would simply abandon their posts. I can’t speak for all military – lord knows there are some kool-aid drinking porcelain princes, but those types rarely get their hands dirty. The trigger pullers I know who do get their hands dirty are *serious* patriots, not automatons like the author supposes.
Add to that that our local county Sheriff and Police Chiefs are all on record as staunchly supporting the Constitution — and not just parts of it. You can possibly get folks up north to roll over when their local police all turn into Barney Fife and violate their oaths to support and defend the constitution (ie Watertown, MA), but local law enforcement in the rural south tends to align with their communities and vice-versa. So, it won’t be just the citizens the feds have to contend with.
Finally, I’ve worked with some of the federal agencies. First, the FBI’s HRT isn’t large enough to cover one city, much less a region. So, the task is going to fall to the bumbling keystone cops of Homeland Security — glorified mall-cops, all of them. At the first sign of determined resistance, they will piss backwards and retreat and call for help. Which won’t be coming because this will be happening all over the map.
I’m not saying there will be ranks of militiamen lined up like the revolutionary war and I’m not saying one determined home-owner will shoot more than one of the keystone cops before getting turned into swiss cheese. But after perhaps two or three of those instances, the door-to-door will screech to a halt because the keystone cops that the govt will be forced to use (in addition to any military dregs they can find to actually assault their fellow law-abiding citizens) will fall back into an extended bureaucratic analysis-paralysis quagmire, just like they always do for everything from picking new coffee for the breakroom to picking who’s going to knock on the next door and get blasted.
Besides, though some may choose to go out in a blaze of glory, most won’t. You are correct. Sort of. When the keystone cops come knocking at the door, they will get the gun(s) we want them to get. The ones we “don’t* want them to get won’t be anywhere on the property. What do they do then? Arrest how many millions of people? They would run out of room after the first week’s worth of arrests.
Then in north Georgia, eastern Tennesse, Western N. Carolina, they wouldn’t be going toe-to-toe, they would likely have to resort to creeping along and dashing from cover to cover while being sporadically harrassed by an assorted lot of hill-billies demonstrating the tactical application of a deer-rifle at long range.
As a country, we don’t have much to worry about. The govt most certainly may be able to accomplish *part* of the disarmament effort in a very small locale like a concentrated neighborhood (ie New Orleans after Katrina or Watertown after the Boston bombing), but the effort starts to break-down quickly when you try to scale the effort up to a city, or even a portion of a state — much less a region or the entire country. It is near laughable.
The instant I hear someone say “the military industrial complex” I know they are nuts and they have INSTANTLY lost the argument.
Yes, of course, Eisenhower was insane and should INSTANTLY be condemned for what was probably the most prescient parting speech in American history!
Yes, of course. Eisenhower should be considered insane and condemned for what is likely the most prescient presidential parting speech in American history! You must live under a pretty big rock to not see the military industrial complex that this country has created….
Hello… HELLO.. that was decades ago.. HELLO… wake up sleepy sheeple.
Hey COCKY LAWYER…..just bc you’re a total pansie and have never had the integrity to stand for or die for what you believe in, doesn’t mean there’s not others that would rather DIE than live under your commie tyranny! Speak for yourself!
In the event of an American insurgency, it wouldn’t be a straight-up fight of partisans with rifles fighting against regime tanks, helicopters, and drones.
It would be a war where “killing” a fighter jet occurs by assassinating aircraft mechanics, or burning the homes of employees of the companies that make crucial replacement parts. It would be a war where every elected official, government employee, and skilled worker in the supply chain would be a target, every day of their lives.
In short, it would be a nasty, brutish conflict full of atrocities with no battle lines, no rear areas, no retreat, and little chance for government forces to survive over the long term.
As long as the American public outguns the military—and they do by more than 90 million firearms—no sane government would dare turn on the American people. That is the reason it is so important for the citizenry to jealously guard their Second Amendment rights.
One thing this author does NOT consider, folks–there are an estimated TOTAL number of miltary, reserves, national guard AND federal, local police officers numbering about 5 MILLION–there are an ESTIMATED 100-150 MILLION ARMED AMERICANS—WE THE PEOPLE OUTNUMBER THEM 25 to 35 TIMES OVER! Does this lawyer lackey not understand OVERWHELMING numbers? Does he NOT consider that many law enforcement, military members will NOT follow the feds and their ILLEGAL government? C’MON MAN, the United States won a rebellion against the British with probably HALF the country not participating!
Spoken like a coward making excuses for running away. YOU presume to tell ME, a total stranger, what I will do in a crisis? Ludicrous.
“I would rather die then say the things he said.”
How could you say anything if you were dead?
Is the author an anti-American communist, or worse, a Jew? Rather than encourage Americans and offer them ideas and suggestions on how to resist tyranny and defend their country, this guy instead says you’re beaten; lay down your arms and surrender. From the sound of it, you’d think the author is a woman, or a cowardly little punk, or a traitor – not a red-blooded American male ready and willing to defend his country.
I absolutely loved your article. I think it’s funny that you don’t think we could fight. I will be fighting, and winning, while the “police” take turns passing you and guys like you around till we can’t tell your fart from a yawn. FYI steel projectiles defeat body armor.
“And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it.” –Hilarious. You are delusional.(slowly claps with irony)
I agree that the cold dead hands crowd will be the first to turn them over. However the depiction of the authorities as some sort of unbeatable gods is a laugh. They can’t even beat a bunch of illiterate rag-tag goat-herders in Afghanistan. Look at what just happened in the Ukraine – the cops just melted away after their opposition shot a few of them and raided an armory. G.I. cop talks tough because his job is safe, but let him start taking even 1% casualties per month and you’ll see how quickly he avails himself of other career opportunities or begins shirking his duties. Cops are cracking up left and right under the minimal pressure they face today, how much worse would it be if they faced a real revolt. There was a video making the rounds the other day of police cars in Oakland being pelted with bottles by relatively small crowds. The cops didn’t come in with overwhelming force, they beat feet out of there. They don’t even control the ghetto/barrio today. The old lefty chant was “the people united will never be defeated” and it’s true – it’s all about controlling the hearts and minds of the people and if they are dead set against you all the fancy weaponry in the world won’t do you much good unless you’re willing to exterminate them. That’s why the U.S. can’t win in Afghanistan, the opposition just has to keep up minimal pressure and wait them out.
I’d shoot at least one agent in the face with a bolt-action 7mm rem. mag before they kill me, and that will be fine…
Jim, Some if not many would meet the fate you describe, but unless the government can manage to also shut down all forms of communication across the country, the confiscators will soon meet formidable resistance. They simply don’t have the manpower to surprise everyone all at once. There would be blood on both sides if this were to come about. The military at least has demonstrated a decided lack of ability to deal with an insurgent opposition from today going back to south east asia.
You assume the person wants to live. I will tell you right here I don’t and will not live in a world where I don’t have a 2nd amendment or my government is willing to forcibly disarm its citizens. Yes it would be suicide, so what. Give me liberty or give me death. This world is not all there is. Screw it. What is so geeat? iPhones? Beer? TV? You all have already lost. You are all slaves working 40 hours or more for nothing. You will never see your dreams realized. You will die in debt. Now when it is time to take a stand on actual principle and say here is the line – you won’t. That is pathetic. You have already given up so much. You let others raise your kids. You work all those hours for maybe a few hours of free time. You have no savings. No retirement. Generation after generation of your family has worked and left nothing for the next. The system had you by the balls at birth and now you will roll over and give up a God given right to self defense for what? Nothing. So give up your guns for nothing or as this author thinks, die for nothing. I would rather go down with honor and principle than stand on Monday morning a slave. God bless America. (Cue the patriotic music.) And I am out.
its scary, but that is all possible. cant say yes and cant say no. Our government is very conniving and now The US is turning into a true Marxist government
Vote the sons of bitches out of office now!
This leftist loon actually believes that the soldiers who live side by side with WE the People will actually take up arms against us. That is far, far from what would happen. I know from asking thousands of military members what they would do. And 95% said they would return to their homes to protect their families and neighbors. They swore to up hold the Constitution of the United States, and unlike these treasonist pigs in Government will do just that. The Treasonist Obama should all ready have been arrested for his treasonist acts against the Constitution. Yeah,
Yes, they would. Unlike the treasonist government swine, who don’t care about the Constitution they swore to uphold and defend, the members of the military will up hold and defend it along side We the People, especially with the loser thats in office right now.
never going to happen
You’re an idiot lol if a platoon of Marines come kill your mom for a gun were no longer a free country dumb ass n it will be a civil war in which many miltary men n women have family who I’m sure they’d turn on all bc the gov wants ur guns? Noooo they’d help out dip shit Ur a lawyer??? Good night this country is screwed ppl like u would rather be a Slave then die for this country n that’s the problem too many lawyers I’ll die for my freedom -USMC Sergeant Mike epps
OK n did ne1 read his short bio? He moved to Mexico? Stay there u insect our founding fathers and fellow Americans dispise ppl u
Lol ya he’s right it’s USA dude they aren’t gonna sail to Missouri moron plus we have 10000 times the ppl here then the freakin revolotion days we don’t need French Navy go to Mexico with the shitty lawyer who wrote this
if the military gets involved in taking guns away as far as I am concerned they have broke their oath to defend America so they are traitors and have commited treason so they are thugs like the rest of the ones that rams your door down to get your guns.
I seriously don’t foresee all the men and women of our country fighting ourselves. I just don’t think that our own men and women would be fighting battles against their own families and friends in their own hometowns, or anyone else’s for that matter. It wouldn’t be for the greater good at that point. The men and woman in the military believe in and support our 2nd ammendment rights. I love how all these articles about this, are telling us that we will lose and to just hand over our guns. Yeah, okay!
Civil War 2
If your remaining brain cells allow…..cast your [very selective] memory way back to Boston 2013. Thousands of citizens were torn from their homes which were then searched….as the residents were held at staging areas, hands on their heads…for hours. The scenes were reminiscent of the Attica prison riots in the 1960’s. NO ONE RESISTED.
I am just glad I am not a useless coward like this guy. Wow what a pathetic dirt-bag.
So right, People forget that less than 3% of the population were responsible for the revolution that freed us from the king of England. Lets not forget the number of Military and Police officers who are sworn Oathkeepers. I doubt highly they’d turn their guns against their brothers. I’ve heard Piers Morgan say that the reason we say we need our guns to fight a tyrannical government is ridiculous because the government has nuclear weapons. I think thats a crazy argument because if the government were to aim nukes are their own people the war would be lost for both sides. Piers is an idiot!
Number one numb nuts, there are NOT enough cops or military in the world to hit all 265 million gun owners’ homes at the same time, so there will be a large army that would hear about any “move against gun owners” and join together against the Federal loyalists, much like those in the Nevada desert did, and like in Nevada, they will highly outnumber these “loyalists” who will try to run away again … only where do they run?
You are so lost you had to flee to the desert of Mexico with your dogs and hide, with no weapon. Just who is going to stand up for you when the world government decides to come for you? You are worthless. No one unwilling to stay here and fight this government for freedoms you say they are going to take away is not much of an American anyway. Good riddance!!!
I hear the same thing from active duty guys all the time. The government will be surprised to find their weapons turned on them by those they trained if they ever try to take away any more of our freedoms.
olDUMBo gave him a pension in Mexico for writing this POS
We’ll see about that! If they think they are going to take the guns from all, they are sorely mistaken and when they do come for them, they will hand them over alright. They’ll be handing over flying lead. It’ll be a bloodbath. With 100’s of millions of guns and owners in the United States, it would be extremely foolish to think that the government can just waltz on in and think their bosses, yes, bosses, are going to hand them over. That’s fantasy. This is not Australia or the UK. It took only 5% to defeat the greatest military power in the world and I am descended from those people. Seeing how the balance is far more than 5% now for gun owners willing to NOT give up their weapons, and a military that will likely on the large not follow orders to confiscate weapons, I don’t see this happening. If it does it will be the greatest hand-to-hand gun war in the history of the world. They’ll have to literally nuke their own nation to achieve such a goal. This is why the 2nd Amendment exists, because the founders of the country knew that a tyrannical element would seize power, as they have now, and eventually try to enslave the people. Therefore, it is our God-given right to defend ourselves against ALL enemies, foreign, and DOMESTIC. If we must defend against domestic enemies, so be it. I may die, but I’ll take a lot of them with me. Just to make an attempt to strip our weapons up and down the road I live on, which is about 1.5 miles long, would result in bullets coming from every direction at them and full our guerilla warfare. They may succeed in getting those guns but at a very, very high price. And that’s all I got to say about tha-at.
I see the sparseness of those with the means and will as the reason that they’d be the winner. Wasn’t it the Japanese general who stated that only a fool would invade the United States because there’d be a gun behind every blade of grass?
But when that enemy is domestic, and happens to be the unconstitutional orders of the President of the United States, I will then defend my Constitution against him. So help me God. I have taken the Oath to defend my Constitution but I will fight for no man that is a tyrant, including any man in the government. But I’m sure that’s what you mean.
Look at the ignorant coward acting as if he has the final say. Law enforcement, military personnel, they all have relatives. They will not shoot their relatives or friends, they believe in our 2nd Amendment rights just as much as we do. This yellow journalism was written by a frightened little child masquerading as an adult. Anyone who thinks it will be easy or simple to disarm Americans, MOLON LABE. The casualties would be unacceptable on Karger’s side.
Oh yes, it is OH so much better to live on your knees, collecting the scraps from your rulers than it is to die on your feet fighting oppression. If living under a dictatorial government is the only way to survive, then I guess I will be one of the ones face down….but it won’t be at my place……The fight will be taken to THEM, and those they hold dear!!!
That works both ways……How are groups of Government Thugs going to be able to move around without folks knowing where they are headed?
You think they will be the only ones able to communicate movements? That they will have Free Roam and be able to run rough shot over everyone they encounter?
It will by no means be Easy for either side if it were to come to this. That is the painful reality…..
The government is never coming for your guns.
The logistics would be unobtainable and the backlash would be exponential. They’re not coming for your guns. Period.
When they come for my guns who is to say I will be there? Who is to say my guns will be there?
I’ll choose if, when, how and where a stand is taken. The idea that a confrontation will occur with a knock at the door and that the resistance will occur on my doorstep with a half dozen heavily armed Federal Officers (Texas will never do it nor will my local authorities unless I give them good reason). In fact if the Federal Government comes for our guns in Texas I dare say it would start a confrontation between authorities before civilians would become involved.
So the idiot who wrote this propaganda bit is saying you will be a slave and you will submit. Resistance is futile. Iraq, Vietnam and many more have show this mentality to be a lie. Furthermore, the idea that all of the military would go along with this is also never taken in to account.
That’s because the rioters are afraid or unwilling to fight the cops. However, when the rioters know they are going down any which way, they will simply overrun and stampede the cops.
I like the part where the author completely ignores the oath of enlistment or article 92 of the UCMJ, that not only will the military obey lawful orders (key word there, LAWFUL) of the officers appointed above them but those of the POTUS as well but they are obligated, read that again, OBLIGATED to disobey unlawful (Again, keyword there UNLAWFUL) orders including those of the POTUS.
And never mind the POTUS has a whole host of legislative hurdles to jump through to declare Marshall law. But hey don’t let facts get in the way of your fantasy.
Puh-leaze, to think the whole of the military will blindly side with a rogue government, violate the UCMJ and their oath of enlistment is laughable at best.
i will die with my gun in my hand, no one person will ever have the balls to take my weapon. If you have the balls to take my weapon than you have the balls to face me …come to my house, look me in the eye and give me a reason to turn over my gun.
Better to die a free man than live as a slave.
Someone gotta tell the Syrian and Iraqi governements or even told that to Georbe Bush back in 2005.
How long would they have lasted in Fallujah? Not very long.
We saw it in Iraq this year, confronted with actual danger, they collectively throw away any heavy weapons and run away, have no moral qualms in letting their own be abandonned and slaugheterd like sheeple.
The faster a vehicule goes, the more problems there will be if anything was to happen to it while it drive.
Checked out the ISIS videos? Checkpoints are a bad idea.
Anyone serious about resisting an armed takeover of their entire country would not have resisted either because the time wasn´t right and they wouldn´t need to worry about searchs if they have hidden what they need well.
I would love to meet this natczi type of person, Jim Karger…I am sure he looks great in his brown shirt and goose stepping walk….FU…
Try what you write and suggest, and REAL, patriotic Americans…..not fascists like Karger, will NOT respond as you think they will, (complying) and there would or will be an armed rebellion, because free people in America will NOT yield up their freedom to tyrants……Period.
To be sure, there may be those who WILL die resisting such evil disarmament actions by evil tyrants, but it will only fuel the resistance to such tyrannical acts and those acts will fail and the tyrants will fail as well.
Been 2 years since you penned your silly article, and the momentum of gun rights are NOT going the tyrants way……what do you say now? Gun Rights are stronger now than ever. Chew on that.
LOL, you don’t even need a gun to take out a street cam. Those would go first. Just a simple slingshot.
CBs are still around for tactical communication….truckers avoid cops and such all the time through their use.
We are a nation of ATV owners, bunky. Hundreds of thousands of them.
We don’t need no stinkin’ roads.
What is even scarier is that the criminal element would join sides with the rest of the citizens, and they are well armed and damned experienced with tactical expertise. Street fighters.
And ex military?
You think they’d just sit on their thumbs? LOL
And the Guard? Hometown boys? They’d be ordered to go else ware of course, but they’d know that SOME OTHER guard unit was going to be ordered to come shoot their relatives and friends.
I have a feeling they’d do, when ordered to mount up, what the Russian foot soldiers, and sailors did to their officers.
Shot them out of hand. Joined the people, and that was the end of the oligarchy in Russia.
Naw, that’s made up, but the sentiment is accurate. Over a hundred million guns.
I will be 67 in three weeks, have had a good life and may just opt to take out a turncoat, traitor bastard with me as I go.
If you are in the military or the newly militarized police force and are considering siding with a tyrant for a paycheck, also consider this – you may be the son-of-a-bitch I get before I go down!
I was never comfortable on my knees – it reminds me too much of what some people routinely do in that position!
If you think it would be that easy you have not learned the lessons taught in Afghanistan and Iraq, all of our technology and body armor and high tech weapons haven’t done the job and are a poor competitor for human will and endurance.
You are completely wrong if you think the American citizen doesn’t have the gumption or ability to do as much as a middle easterner.
…….and growing !!!!!
Don’t forget there are quite a few ex-cops and ex-military citizens. The average citizen would be fighting on home turf… knowing every back alley. Troops being sent in would be in unfamiliar territory. If the Government used air strikes and started to blow crap up our military would defect no doubt. Look at how Vietnam ended…….. They knew how to hide and use terrain. If Gov. killing started we would organize and have the will to win.
LOL !! I could subdue 30 unarmed people if I had the only gun !! Great point !!
No way are the masses going to live under dictatorship. The ones who will are against guns. I don’t see them as a threat.
Don’t even mention Piers name……. Why do we even listen to idiots like him.
I call BS !! In Vietnam they did not plan everything…..they hid and waited till we walked into an attack. We would pick people off at checkpoints…… and I highly doubt any cameras would be working. Those would be shot out the first day. As I have said we would be on home turf in every city. Gov. troops would be from all over and not know as much about the terrain ( a key advantage). We would slowly become better armed after overtaking Gov. weapons. Your thinking is that we would stand in the open waving our arms ?? With so many vets I’m sure we would be plenty organized. Good luck in your submissive life.
OH, and since when has our government reacted swiftly ?? We would react and be disbursed before they could even load their trucks.
EXACTLY !! I got your back !!
Thats rather ignorant. We use guns because as Americans, we are independent of not just England, but our own government as well. If the day ever comes when our political system is unbearably corrupt, we can fight on our own, because we aren’t surviving off of it. Its more than I can say for most of the English. Maybe if u focused less on spelling you’d be able to see that. Don’t worry. I’m not afraid. I’m just not passive when it comes to liberty. Taking that into consideration would be best.
Cultural suicide would have been submitting under Britain’s thumb. Or putting up with non-Americans who don’t know what it’s like to have something promised to you, that you fought for the right to have, and then taken away so easily. Yet we’re not expected to fight because that’s a nuisance and unnecessary. If someone could do that, what other right could they take away? There are countless others far worse than gun control. The funny thing, though, is that we could only reject being dictated by bearing arms against our supressors.
resisting the state??? how about UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION? and defending your life from the likes of WORKPLACE VIOLENCE?? I have had to use mine against thugs blocking in my car and trying to bust in my car window when the doors were locked. I wonder JIMMYBOY if they went after yours or the states children…wife…mother…grandmother…if they would feel the same about taking away law abiding citizens defenses and giving the criminals and terrorists who dont obey ANY Laws and are able to buy guns and ammo at every corner city store an upper hand on them too. BTW…..when their bodyguards are no longer armed I guess then it will be safe to say I would maybe think about those elected who assault the constitution as anything more than traitorous moronic fools. “Think about being and idiot…and think about being a member of congress, but I repeat myself.”….Mark Twain.
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You got that right! Just like the BLM @ Bunkerville, NV vs. the Bundy family. Hundreds of Militia people started to show up and it boiled down to a confrontation between heavily armed police and heavily armed citizens. Later interviews with some of the BLM rangers revealed that they feared for their lives and did not think they were going to go home that day. The Bundy’s never called for the Militia to show up… they just did because they had seen that the government had crossed the line and was trying to bully a rancher into submission by slaughtering his cattle.
Oh they are very much a threat. Just recently there was a Dem politician (state senator I think) who was arrested in Ferguson for carrying a gun AND refusing a breathalyzer test. Just because they are against you and me carrying a gun does not mean that that rule applies to them. By the way that senator was a very outspoken supporter of gun confiscation. Go figure.
True, but… Obama has been replacing Generals left and right. It gives you food for thought to think about the “Why?”.
It is credited to Admiral Yamamoto, but Reynard is right, most historians agree that that is a myth that he actually said that. But it holds every bit of truth in it.
The guy up top here has no idea of the blood type that actually fills
the majority of these ranks. Our troops are sheep…..riiiiiight!
Indeed it will be and if not, we will get to watch a spectacular display of it!
He’s just another guy that knows nothing of the military or it’s
Veterans. The general sheep population forget who is behind all that
tech pulling triggers and dropping bombs. Coup ring a bell?
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