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		<title>By: alan annisgard</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/what-happened-to-the-stop-paying-your-mortgage-meme/#comment-15749</link>
		<dc:creator>alan annisgard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an ominous sign that things are  so obscenely perverse that Wall street  rewards Goldman stockholders and employees  for the profits it gained at the expense of those being evicted from their homes, and then cheers again for  the &quot;smart bets&quot; they placed on commodities.
 
Was it just financial cronyism or something far more sinister when Hank  Paulson, the former CEO of Goldman,  got  appointed as treasurer, and then  bailed  out  AIG, while making sure  that Goldman got paid off for the bets they placed on the imminent collapse of the sub prime loans they had pioneered, packaged and then sold off to unsuspecting investors..?.
 
Are Larry Summers &amp; Tim Geithner still possibly only looking out for Goldman and other hedge funds , as they continue to try and convince us to stay the course, instead of demanding a moratorium of foreclosures and requiring that banks modify the loans?
 
How else do you explain  that 9 months after the bailout,  this trickle down plan that Paulson came up with is actually hurting those who need it the most, particularly as monthly mortgage payments keep re-setting ever higher?
 
We have reached the point, where we must wonder if it I  by design, that the  average borrower on Main street,  cannot get through to his   lender  to discuss modifying his  loan, and in the  interim 1/2 a million more households per month, are losing  their jobs and their homes? 
 
Have Obama and much of the Democratic congress  betrayed their core voter support, by pandering to the interests of Goldman and the rest of the financial community? 
 
Where this any other country, the press would be reporting on this economical political chicanery,  instead of applauding Goldman&#039;s profits, and a well informed citizenry would be demanding that its government stop the payouts to Goldman and other hedge funds,  while declaring a  moratorium on all foreclosures, until the banks modify the loans..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an ominous sign that things are  so obscenely perverse that Wall street  rewards Goldman stockholders and employees  for the profits it gained at the expense of those being evicted from their homes, and then cheers again for  the &#8220;smart bets&#8221; they placed on commodities.</p>
<p>Was it just financial cronyism or something far more sinister when Hank  Paulson, the former CEO of Goldman,  got  appointed as treasurer, and then  bailed  out  AIG, while making sure  that Goldman got paid off for the bets they placed on the imminent collapse of the sub prime loans they had pioneered, packaged and then sold off to unsuspecting investors..?.</p>
<p>Are Larry Summers &amp; Tim Geithner still possibly only looking out for Goldman and other hedge funds , as they continue to try and convince us to stay the course, instead of demanding a moratorium of foreclosures and requiring that banks modify the loans?</p>
<p>How else do you explain  that 9 months after the bailout,  this trickle down plan that Paulson came up with is actually hurting those who need it the most, particularly as monthly mortgage payments keep re-setting ever higher?</p>
<p>We have reached the point, where we must wonder if it I  by design, that the  average borrower on Main street,  cannot get through to his   lender  to discuss modifying his  loan, and in the  interim 1/2 a million more households per month, are losing  their jobs and their homes? </p>
<p>Have Obama and much of the Democratic congress  betrayed their core voter support, by pandering to the interests of Goldman and the rest of the financial community? </p>
<p>Where this any other country, the press would be reporting on this economical political chicanery,  instead of applauding Goldman&#8217;s profits, and a well informed citizenry would be demanding that its government stop the payouts to Goldman and other hedge funds,  while declaring a  moratorium on all foreclosures, until the banks modify the loans..</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Val, what can possibly be immoral about stiffing someone who&#039;s screwed you and countless others for millenia? In fact, you&#039;re not even stiffing these people at all, they are stiffing you. The fact is, when you signed the Promissory Note, that made YOU the Creditor and the Bank the Debtor. The money didn&#039;t EXIST until you signed your Promissory note. Then the Bank CHANGED the money. Remember when Jesus drove the moneychangers from the Temple? Same thing here. Then, the Bank puts an agreement in front of you making you the Tenant for 30 years or whatever, forcing you to pay the principal and interest which is supposed to be paid back to YOU. Then these bastards charge you ungodly interest on top of it. I sent a Demand to my Bank and Car lenders yesterday. They are required by Law to answer my questions. They really can&#039;t answer my questions because it will prove how much they are ripping me off. If they don&#039;t answer in 30 days, I win by default. Go on the OFFENSE with these rats. DO NOT sit around til they make the move, move on them first and do it FAST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Val, what can possibly be immoral about stiffing someone who&#8217;s screwed you and countless others for millenia? In fact, you&#8217;re not even stiffing these people at all, they are stiffing you. The fact is, when you signed the Promissory Note, that made YOU the Creditor and the Bank the Debtor. The money didn&#8217;t EXIST until you signed your Promissory note. Then the Bank CHANGED the money. Remember when Jesus drove the moneychangers from the Temple? Same thing here. Then, the Bank puts an agreement in front of you making you the Tenant for 30 years or whatever, forcing you to pay the principal and interest which is supposed to be paid back to YOU. Then these bastards charge you ungodly interest on top of it. I sent a Demand to my Bank and Car lenders yesterday. They are required by Law to answer my questions. They really can&#8217;t answer my questions because it will prove how much they are ripping me off. If they don&#8217;t answer in 30 days, I win by default. Go on the OFFENSE with these rats. DO NOT sit around til they make the move, move on them first and do it FAST.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God,

I just decided to stop paying mine today. It is 2:30 AM on the 16, the day after the due date and I feel so worried about that. 
The truth is that up until yesterday I wanted to pay, and I have not consulted with a lawyer and a CPA just yet. But I have now lost my job and I can&#039;t affort to run out of cash, with a little one to feed.
Still, it sound immoral, illicit and flat out wrong, and my decision making has not been the most brilliant recently, to say the least. I need someone to tell me that it is ok, although I know I won&#039;t believe him. I wasn&#039;t brought up to chicken away from my obligations and duties...And God, that is just the way it feels right now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God,</p>
<p>I just decided to stop paying mine today. It is 2:30 AM on the 16, the day after the due date and I feel so worried about that.<br />
The truth is that up until yesterday I wanted to pay, and I have not consulted with a lawyer and a CPA just yet. But I have now lost my job and I can&#8217;t affort to run out of cash, with a little one to feed.<br />
Still, it sound immoral, illicit and flat out wrong, and my decision making has not been the most brilliant recently, to say the least. I need someone to tell me that it is ok, although I know I won&#8217;t believe him. I wasn&#8217;t brought up to chicken away from my obligations and duties&#8230;And God, that is just the way it feels right now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mf_scooter</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/what-happened-to-the-stop-paying-your-mortgage-meme/#comment-1961</link>
		<dc:creator>mf_scooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes Nick, that is so.  Time to abolish the frikkin&#039; fed...with pitchforks and torches?  FrankenFed?  Won&#039;t happen with anything short of national disintegration though.  Reminds me of Carlin&#039;s rant about &quot;They OWN you&quot; and &quot;The Club&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes Nick, that is so.  Time to abolish the frikkin&#8217; fed&#8230;with pitchforks and torches?  FrankenFed?  Won&#8217;t happen with anything short of national disintegration though.  Reminds me of Carlin&#8217;s rant about &#8220;They OWN you&#8221; and &#8220;The Club&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/what-happened-to-the-stop-paying-your-mortgage-meme/#comment-1805</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the Fed isn&#039;t a part of the government and the FOIA doesn&#039;t apply.

Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982)
John L. Lewis, Plaintiff/Appellant,
v.
United States of America, Defendant/Appellee.

&quot;The Court of Appeals, Poole, Circuit Judge, held that federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the Act, but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the Fed isn&#8217;t a part of the government and the FOIA doesn&#8217;t apply.</p>
<p>Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982)<br />
John L. Lewis, Plaintiff/Appellant,<br />
v.<br />
United States of America, Defendant/Appellee.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Court of Appeals, Poole, Circuit Judge, held that federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the Act, but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lara Braveheart</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/what-happened-to-the-stop-paying-your-mortgage-meme/#comment-1802</link>
		<dc:creator>Lara Braveheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, 

It&#039;s more bitter bandaids to braintumours -- why not use a form of activism, that goes right to the heart of the exponential function fiat currency, lying lawyers, banksters hearts!! Take em on legally -- and there is PRECEDENT FOR IT! 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://dead-mans-hand.co.nr/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dead-Mans-Hand&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;b&gt;Is it Possible All Mortgage Contracts Are Void and Foreclosures are Invalid?&lt;/b&gt;

I first stumbled across the very curious case of Jerome Daly through an article by Ellen Brown, author of the book Web of Debt. It concerns a foreclosure case in Minnesota in 1968 that has yet to be overturned, and the issues go straight to the heart of the sleight of hand that the banking system is built upon. The case also presents an optimistic view of how individuals can take back the power to create money from the private banks.

Jerome Daly was a homeowner living in Minnesota who stopped paying his mortgage. The lender, First National Bank of Montgomery, of course, sued the man for foreclosure. Daly presented his argument before a jury as to why he did not owe the bank anything.

Essentially, he argued that the bank had not provided any consideration for Daly&#039;s promise to pay back the loan. Consideration is one of the requirements for a valid contract, and without it, a contract is void. Daly was arguing that the mortgage contract was void and did not need to be repaid because the bank had not actually given him any money. The lender had created the money out of thin air in response to the promise to repay the loan.

This credit, argued Daly, was not real money that counted as consideration and therefore did not need to be paid back. Without valid consideration, the mortgage contract was null and void and nothing was owed to the bank. Astoundingly enough, the jury agreed with him and declared that the mortgage was not a valid contract.

The judge and a representative testifying on behalf of the bank also agreed with Daly&#039;s argument, in effect. The bank&#039;s president, Mr. Morgan, admitted that the money did not exist until Daly was given the mortgage, and the money was created out of thin air.

The judge wrote a supporting decision in the case agreeing with Daly, writing &quot;The money and credit first came into existence when they created it. Mr. Morgan [the bank&#039;s president] admitted that no United States Law or Statute existed which gave him the right to do this.&quot; Thus, the lending of the money to Daly in the form of a mortgage did not constitute valid consideration. The bank did not even have the authority to create money out of thin air according to any known law or statute.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://dead-mans-hand.co.nr/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Full Story&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s more bitter bandaids to braintumours &#8212; why not use a form of activism, that goes right to the heart of the exponential function fiat currency, lying lawyers, banksters hearts!! Take em on legally &#8212; and there is PRECEDENT FOR IT! </p>
<p><a href="http://dead-mans-hand.co.nr/" rel="nofollow">Dead-Mans-Hand</a>: </p>
<p><b>Is it Possible All Mortgage Contracts Are Void and Foreclosures are Invalid?</b></p>
<p>I first stumbled across the very curious case of Jerome Daly through an article by Ellen Brown, author of the book Web of Debt. It concerns a foreclosure case in Minnesota in 1968 that has yet to be overturned, and the issues go straight to the heart of the sleight of hand that the banking system is built upon. The case also presents an optimistic view of how individuals can take back the power to create money from the private banks.</p>
<p>Jerome Daly was a homeowner living in Minnesota who stopped paying his mortgage. The lender, First National Bank of Montgomery, of course, sued the man for foreclosure. Daly presented his argument before a jury as to why he did not owe the bank anything.</p>
<p>Essentially, he argued that the bank had not provided any consideration for Daly&#8217;s promise to pay back the loan. Consideration is one of the requirements for a valid contract, and without it, a contract is void. Daly was arguing that the mortgage contract was void and did not need to be repaid because the bank had not actually given him any money. The lender had created the money out of thin air in response to the promise to repay the loan.</p>
<p>This credit, argued Daly, was not real money that counted as consideration and therefore did not need to be paid back. Without valid consideration, the mortgage contract was null and void and nothing was owed to the bank. Astoundingly enough, the jury agreed with him and declared that the mortgage was not a valid contract.</p>
<p>The judge and a representative testifying on behalf of the bank also agreed with Daly&#8217;s argument, in effect. The bank&#8217;s president, Mr. Morgan, admitted that the money did not exist until Daly was given the mortgage, and the money was created out of thin air.</p>
<p>The judge wrote a supporting decision in the case agreeing with Daly, writing &#8220;The money and credit first came into existence when they created it. Mr. Morgan [the bank's president] admitted that no United States Law or Statute existed which gave him the right to do this.&#8221; Thus, the lending of the money to Daly in the form of a mortgage did not constitute valid consideration. The bank did not even have the authority to create money out of thin air according to any known law or statute.</p>
<p><a href="http://dead-mans-hand.co.nr/" rel="nofollow">Full Story</a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. 

I want MORE of this kind of popular sentiment.  I hope people are ready to grab the pitchfork and the torches at this point.

Do not try to stifle it.  That&#039;s the Government&#039;s job apparently.  Let THEM be the ones going after Limbaugh, Santinelli, Cramer et al...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. </p>
<p>I want MORE of this kind of popular sentiment.  I hope people are ready to grab the pitchfork and the torches at this point.</p>
<p>Do not try to stifle it.  That&#8217;s the Government&#8217;s job apparently.  Let THEM be the ones going after Limbaugh, Santinelli, Cramer et al&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, what the hell are you talking about?

People - even the ones who buy that bumper sticker - are protesting THE GOVERMENT&#039;S BAILOUT of non-paying mortgagees with taxpayer funding.

You&#039;re against that too, right???

Santelli&#039;s rant WAS NOT a rant against those not paying their mortgages.  It was a rant against the government CONFISCATING OUR WEALTH TO BAIL OUT those irresponsible mortgagees.

See the difference?

Aren&#039;t you also against that???

Blue state / red State?  I don&#039;t see that at all in this except that Dems are the only ones who might believe Obama has a clue at this point - or even good intentions possibly.

Seriously, move on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, what the hell are you talking about?</p>
<p>People &#8211; even the ones who buy that bumper sticker &#8211; are protesting THE GOVERMENT&#8217;S BAILOUT of non-paying mortgagees with taxpayer funding.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re against that too, right???</p>
<p>Santelli&#8217;s rant WAS NOT a rant against those not paying their mortgages.  It was a rant against the government CONFISCATING OUR WEALTH TO BAIL OUT those irresponsible mortgagees.</p>
<p>See the difference?</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t you also against that???</p>
<p>Blue state / red State?  I don&#8217;t see that at all in this except that Dems are the only ones who might believe Obama has a clue at this point &#8211; or even good intentions possibly.</p>
<p>Seriously, move on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, it&#039;s not that I do or don&#039;t disagree with your critique of Rick Santelli, it&#039;s just that it smacks terribly of nitpicking. Your critique of Santelli also seems to take a lot out of context, namely, presenting Santelli&#039;s remarks as if he were sitting in the peace and quiet of his study calmly composing his thoughts instead of firing off during a live broadcast from the floor of the exchange. I mean... Christ man, how about we start with a little bit of solidarity for a change. Give the Santelli thing a rest already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, it&#8217;s not that I do or don&#8217;t disagree with your critique of Rick Santelli, it&#8217;s just that it smacks terribly of nitpicking. Your critique of Santelli also seems to take a lot out of context, namely, presenting Santelli&#8217;s remarks as if he were sitting in the peace and quiet of his study calmly composing his thoughts instead of firing off during a live broadcast from the floor of the exchange. I mean&#8230; Christ man, how about we start with a little bit of solidarity for a change. Give the Santelli thing a rest already.</p>
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