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		<title>By: oldbill</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/an-economy-on-life-support/#comment-15359</link>
		<dc:creator>oldbill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have any debt, why would you buy gold? First get out of debt. American&#039;s aren&#039;t saving. They are simply borrowing less than they earn. How can you save anything if you have debt? The interest on the debt will eat the interest on the savings as well as the savings principal. That&#039;s not saving, that&#039;s dumb. Pay all of the debts, as it says in one&#039;s will. 
As long as you have debt and continue to borrow, you will eventually bankrupt. That isn&#039;t the result of saving. Stop borrowing, repay the debt, then start saving. Then invest. Perhaps in gold!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have any debt, why would you buy gold? First get out of debt. American&#8217;s aren&#8217;t saving. They are simply borrowing less than they earn. How can you save anything if you have debt? The interest on the debt will eat the interest on the savings as well as the savings principal. That&#8217;s not saving, that&#8217;s dumb. Pay all of the debts, as it says in one&#8217;s will.<br />
As long as you have debt and continue to borrow, you will eventually bankrupt. That isn&#8217;t the result of saving. Stop borrowing, repay the debt, then start saving. Then invest. Perhaps in gold!</p>
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		<title>By: GForde</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/an-economy-on-life-support/#comment-15295</link>
		<dc:creator>GForde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;ve played Gold &amp; Silver over the past couple of years, you&#039;ve done more than OK and have certainly pounded the performance of the market...

If not, it&#039;ll will be a matter of the right timing...the deflationary story is indeed Real and inflation is made up of more than just increased paper notes, it&#039;s about velocity and multiplier effect that make it happen...the Fed tried to prime the bank pump, but the banks haven&#039;t turned it on - yet.  The Fed&#039;s charter is about low inflation and low unemployment.  When will larger political forces break that public pledge.  

It&#039;s like we&#039;re in Hooverville of the depression - deflationary.  When will they come out of hiding and repudiate some of their public and personal debt?  Who knows but we&#039;ve always known this to be a matter of timing.  

I&#039;m currently hedged a little towards deflation but watchful, it&#039;s sometimes darkest before the light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve played Gold &amp; Silver over the past couple of years, you&#8217;ve done more than OK and have certainly pounded the performance of the market&#8230;</p>
<p>If not, it&#8217;ll will be a matter of the right timing&#8230;the deflationary story is indeed Real and inflation is made up of more than just increased paper notes, it&#8217;s about velocity and multiplier effect that make it happen&#8230;the Fed tried to prime the bank pump, but the banks haven&#8217;t turned it on &#8211; yet.  The Fed&#8217;s charter is about low inflation and low unemployment.  When will larger political forces break that public pledge.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like we&#8217;re in Hooverville of the depression &#8211; deflationary.  When will they come out of hiding and repudiate some of their public and personal debt?  Who knows but we&#8217;ve always known this to be a matter of timing.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently hedged a little towards deflation but watchful, it&#8217;s sometimes darkest before the light.</p>
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		<title>By: William Goe</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/an-economy-on-life-support/#comment-15045</link>
		<dc:creator>William Goe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand why Bill is concerned over whether Gold is still a viable investment. It&#039;s because investing using careful analysis and research has been usurped by investing by careful analysis and research AND trying to figure out just how bad governments and policy makers can screw everything up. We should all be looking at gold as a possible waste of dollars and question every investment based on pre-depression concepts. Personally, I&#039;m not sure what Obama, Bernanke, and Geithner are planning because I don&#039;t think they know what to do either. The scope and breadth of this depression is unprecedented. You need look no further than the shadowed, off the balance sheet, not marked to market, $600 Trillion derivative market ($1.6 Quadrillion globally), to realize that Alice&#039;s rabbit hole is infinite in depth. I own gold now and will increase my exposure if it falls a bit. Gold is a hedge for now that everyone must own. From my perspective, I just don&#039;t see any way that we can pay for pensions, FDIC backing for about 3,000 bank failures, social security, Medicare, the new Healthcare plan, increasing defense expenditures, and a monstrous deficit, without inflation. We desperately need inflation, now. It&#039;s much too late in the game for a plan or sound fiscal policy. Inflation is the only answer, and the gold is one way to play that future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand why Bill is concerned over whether Gold is still a viable investment. It&#8217;s because investing using careful analysis and research has been usurped by investing by careful analysis and research AND trying to figure out just how bad governments and policy makers can screw everything up. We should all be looking at gold as a possible waste of dollars and question every investment based on pre-depression concepts. Personally, I&#8217;m not sure what Obama, Bernanke, and Geithner are planning because I don&#8217;t think they know what to do either. The scope and breadth of this depression is unprecedented. You need look no further than the shadowed, off the balance sheet, not marked to market, $600 Trillion derivative market ($1.6 Quadrillion globally), to realize that Alice&#8217;s rabbit hole is infinite in depth. I own gold now and will increase my exposure if it falls a bit. Gold is a hedge for now that everyone must own. From my perspective, I just don&#8217;t see any way that we can pay for pensions, FDIC backing for about 3,000 bank failures, social security, Medicare, the new Healthcare plan, increasing defense expenditures, and a monstrous deficit, without inflation. We desperately need inflation, now. It&#8217;s much too late in the game for a plan or sound fiscal policy. Inflation is the only answer, and the gold is one way to play that future.</p>
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		<title>By: lainvestorgirl</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/an-economy-on-life-support/#comment-14996</link>
		<dc:creator>lainvestorgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the feds don&#039;t really know what they&#039;re doing, we give them too much credit.  They want to inflate but don&#039;t want to crash the currency, and have to respond to threats from the ChiComs.  For what it&#039;s worth, I think they will try on and off little bouts of inflation, and each time back off when it heats up to the point where the public starts to whine and moan about shrinking food packaging and rising gas prices... 

It reminds me of when I was a teenager learning to drive, accelerating and breaking, not sure yet how to make a smooth ride...

Personally, I don&#039;t know for a fact whether there will be hyperinflation.  However, I think gold continues to look good just by virtue of who&#039;s in the white house and congress.  At the very least, it can&#039;t be taxed and you don&#039;t have to worry about having to be made whole by the fdic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the feds don&#8217;t really know what they&#8217;re doing, we give them too much credit.  They want to inflate but don&#8217;t want to crash the currency, and have to respond to threats from the ChiComs.  For what it&#8217;s worth, I think they will try on and off little bouts of inflation, and each time back off when it heats up to the point where the public starts to whine and moan about shrinking food packaging and rising gas prices&#8230; </p>
<p>It reminds me of when I was a teenager learning to drive, accelerating and breaking, not sure yet how to make a smooth ride&#8230;</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t know for a fact whether there will be hyperinflation.  However, I think gold continues to look good just by virtue of who&#8217;s in the white house and congress.  At the very least, it can&#8217;t be taxed and you don&#8217;t have to worry about having to be made whole by the fdic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Comestein</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/an-economy-on-life-support/#comment-14991</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Comestein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what happened to Bill... 

Coincidentally, I had come across old and more recent Hugh Hendry videos on YouTube.  The guy is brilliant with a scintillating intelligence and a flair for the dramatic.  He reminds me of Bill because of his breadth of knowledge and understanding of markets.  He ties in history, philosophy and an encyclopedic knowledge of stats to buttress his case which is that that the environment is profoundly deflationary at this point.  Why?  Because the asset losses (home prices, 401K losses etc.) are far in excess of monetary expansion by the Fed.  Dollars have simply &#039;disappeared&#039; across the economy and there is in effect a &quot;shortage&quot; at current.  He also feels that there are too many people buying into the inflation narrative and he likens it to people buying fire insurance when there is a flood. He has decided to underwrite the contrarian, deflationary narrative.

After three days of watching Hugh over and over again and pondering... I found myself swayed to his viewpoint and cancelled a series of trades I was about to make into commodities and foriegn currencies. Which were up today incidentally....  ;-)

Hugh was so persuasive that I could not deny his reasoning.  Then yesterday I pop in on the DR and find Bill in a financial existential crisis of the EXACT type I went through.

Hugh MADE 30% last year.

Go check out Hugh on YouTube and let&#039;s hear your thoughts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what happened to Bill&#8230; </p>
<p>Coincidentally, I had come across old and more recent Hugh Hendry videos on YouTube.  The guy is brilliant with a scintillating intelligence and a flair for the dramatic.  He reminds me of Bill because of his breadth of knowledge and understanding of markets.  He ties in history, philosophy and an encyclopedic knowledge of stats to buttress his case which is that that the environment is profoundly deflationary at this point.  Why?  Because the asset losses (home prices, 401K losses etc.) are far in excess of monetary expansion by the Fed.  Dollars have simply &#8216;disappeared&#8217; across the economy and there is in effect a &#8220;shortage&#8221; at current.  He also feels that there are too many people buying into the inflation narrative and he likens it to people buying fire insurance when there is a flood. He has decided to underwrite the contrarian, deflationary narrative.</p>
<p>After three days of watching Hugh over and over again and pondering&#8230; I found myself swayed to his viewpoint and cancelled a series of trades I was about to make into commodities and foriegn currencies. Which were up today incidentally&#8230;.  <img src='http://dailyreckoning.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hugh was so persuasive that I could not deny his reasoning.  Then yesterday I pop in on the DR and find Bill in a financial existential crisis of the EXACT type I went through.</p>
<p>Hugh MADE 30% last year.</p>
<p>Go check out Hugh on YouTube and let&#8217;s hear your thoughts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/an-economy-on-life-support/#comment-14987</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloomer you can borrow your way to prosperity. That works if you invest the money in projects that increase economic output down the road. Unfortunately, not a penny of the money today is being spent on investments - so it won&#039;t have a payoff. It will just make the situation that much more dire down the road.

In Canada, housing took a fall of about 8-10% in 2008. When interest rates were brought down to 0% and variable rate mortgages went to 2%, home buyers flocked back to the markets. Up here we insure all mortgages nationally - works out to $42,000 per worker. So the banks are happy to lend. This spring we have entered into a new paradigm of home shopping. In the midst of a recession, home prices reached an all time high and sales/inventory ratio is the highest it has ever been since records have been kept.

It&#039;s amazing how badly this will end. Canadian average home prices are $342,000 (currently about $300K US). Average household income is about $65,000 (currently about $60K US). A $120K household income will fetch first time buyers a $5-600K mortgage. All insured by my tax dollars.

Interesting eh. This downturn brought way too much stimulus to the Canadian banking. Any thoughts on how badly this will end?

www.americacanada.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloomer you can borrow your way to prosperity. That works if you invest the money in projects that increase economic output down the road. Unfortunately, not a penny of the money today is being spent on investments &#8211; so it won&#8217;t have a payoff. It will just make the situation that much more dire down the road.</p>
<p>In Canada, housing took a fall of about 8-10% in 2008. When interest rates were brought down to 0% and variable rate mortgages went to 2%, home buyers flocked back to the markets. Up here we insure all mortgages nationally &#8211; works out to $42,000 per worker. So the banks are happy to lend. This spring we have entered into a new paradigm of home shopping. In the midst of a recession, home prices reached an all time high and sales/inventory ratio is the highest it has ever been since records have been kept.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how badly this will end. Canadian average home prices are $342,000 (currently about $300K US). Average household income is about $65,000 (currently about $60K US). A $120K household income will fetch first time buyers a $5-600K mortgage. All insured by my tax dollars.</p>
<p>Interesting eh. This downturn brought way too much stimulus to the Canadian banking. Any thoughts on how badly this will end?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americacanada.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.americacanada.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/an-economy-on-life-support/#comment-14978</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gold needs to be set free to cover all of the excess in the system. Inflation doesn&#039;t need to occur(which it will) for Gold to rise to astronomical levels. The system is broken and can only be made viable once Gold is able to rise to cover all bets.

It&#039;s not an &quot;if&quot; it&#039;s a &quot;when&quot; would you continue to give up real wealth and man hours for an eroding paper promise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gold needs to be set free to cover all of the excess in the system. Inflation doesn&#8217;t need to occur(which it will) for Gold to rise to astronomical levels. The system is broken and can only be made viable once Gold is able to rise to cover all bets.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not an &#8220;if&#8221; it&#8217;s a &#8220;when&#8221; would you continue to give up real wealth and man hours for an eroding paper promise?</p>
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		<title>By: Bloomer</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/an-economy-on-life-support/#comment-14973</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never say die... Harry. For a lot of people the sky did fall and is still falling. Mr. Market goes up and goes down. The trend for the S@P for the last 10 years is down. We are and have been in a Bear market. We all want to see a recovery. But what country has ever borrowed their way to prosperity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never say die&#8230; Harry. For a lot of people the sky did fall and is still falling. Mr. Market goes up and goes down. The trend for the S@P for the last 10 years is down. We are and have been in a Bear market. We all want to see a recovery. But what country has ever borrowed their way to prosperity?</p>
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		<title>By: daddysteve</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/an-economy-on-life-support/#comment-14971</link>
		<dc:creator>daddysteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The economy is getting stronger? Just like a dying cancer patient given some amphetamine. The bottom is in! Yipee! Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... FED CRASH CART, STAT!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economy is getting stronger? Just like a dying cancer patient given some amphetamine. The bottom is in! Yipee! Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee&#8230;.. FED CRASH CART, STAT!!</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://dailyreckoning.com/an-economy-on-life-support/#comment-14966</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been commenting here for a few days on why gold is a bad bet. The economy is getting stronger. Please, just look at the latest indicators, you really can&#039;t argue that point. Also, we are seeing stronger earnings across the board now. INTC anyone?

If you had been buying AAPL as I have been suggesting for some time here, you&#039;d be doing quite well. Read between the lines. Companies like Apple are doing brisk business in what is mostly a discretionary arena and they continue to grow. 

The sky didn&#039;t fall - and it isn&#039;t going to. Don&#039;t miss a big run up again in the markets by clinging to such a doomsday scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been commenting here for a few days on why gold is a bad bet. The economy is getting stronger. Please, just look at the latest indicators, you really can&#8217;t argue that point. Also, we are seeing stronger earnings across the board now. INTC anyone?</p>
<p>If you had been buying AAPL as I have been suggesting for some time here, you&#8217;d be doing quite well. Read between the lines. Companies like Apple are doing brisk business in what is mostly a discretionary arena and they continue to grow. </p>
<p>The sky didn&#8217;t fall &#8211; and it isn&#8217;t going to. Don&#8217;t miss a big run up again in the markets by clinging to such a doomsday scenario.</p>
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